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Old 03-29-08, 09:44 AM   #1
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University of Phoenix online?

Anyone have experience with this "school?" I had an admissions counselor call me and give me all the details about this program. Looks like 30k for a Batchelors degree but their degree seems laughable and is not very well received when it comes to the job market. I will admit it is convenient as hell being completely online based, but I want something that is actually going to count when it comes down to it.

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I teach online courses at a major uni. My advice? Don't do it. Find a school, go to class.
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Looks like 30k for a Batchelors degree but their degree seems laughable and is not very well received when it comes to the job market.
I wouldn't pay them $30,000 for a "Batchelors" degree. Forget them and ITT. You won't be able to transfer credits if you decide to go to a real school that issues Bachelor's degrees.
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I don't know about ITT or UP, but I do recommend people spend their hard earned cash at a local community college that is accredited, and the hours can transfer to a four year accredited university.

I always emphasize accredited, because a diploma isn't worth anything without this.

Don't bother with an associates degree, unless its a stepping stone to a bachelor's.
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I teach online courses at a major uni. My advice? Don't do it. Find a school, go to class.
I agree. You get way more out of having a structured, classroom environment than studying online.

Intel is in my area, and I know they have a pretty accessible tuition re-imbursement program for their employees, but they recently stated that they're no longer providing re-imbursement for online universities.

Community college credits don't always transfer...it depends on the school and the program...but it's a much better option for getting the basics out of the way for less $$ than online schools.
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stay. away.

not accredited = lose
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Keep in mind though, there are some accredited online Universities.
American Public University/American Military University come to mind.
We recently hired a fellow who graduated from APU and we only hire accredited degrees.
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Yeah I sat down and mapped out everything last night. U of P is a bad deal. They say that they are accredited but it is not the accreditation that counts. Looks like I will graduate when I am 32, but I will graduate. Anyone want to send donations for tuition??...LOL
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The most important thing that you have to do is get that degree! U of P is accredited, and on-line schools are the future of education. They are also more convenient for working adults.
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The most important thing that you have to do is get that degree! U of P is accredited, and on-line schools are the future of education. They are also more convenient for working adults.
I agree completely. The Federal government recognizes U of P. It seems to me that U of P has extremely short classes, every six weeks or so you are paying tuition, which is not cheap. Almost all schools now offer some degree requiremtents online, shop around, there are still some HR people out there that dont trust those computer things yet. Some brick and mortar schools have entire programs on line. Most important thing is go to school somewhere.
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I'm currently enrolled in Columbia College of Missouri. They have an extension sight near me offering a few different classes every 8 weeks. They also offer over 500 on line classes. I take a classroom then an online usually depending on the availability of class room classes being offered that period. They are accredited and also offer a master program that can be completed online too. So far I'm pretty happy with the whole thing. I am 6 classes away from my Bachelors then onto my masters. I'm looking into a different school for my Masters, just because one of the local schools nearby offers free tuition to law enforcement and a work at your own pace program. A few of us from my department are gonna go thru it together. Ive been pretty happy with Columbia so far tho. I'm 43 years old, with 2 kids/wife and a 50 hour a week law enforcement (different shifts) career and I can make it work.
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I sure hope online is not the future of education. Fortunately, I doubt it will ever overtake classroom learning as the primary means of school. You miss an important classroom element when taking class online. Discussion cannot so freely roam. Also, I can learn stuff just by sitting in a classroom, not taking notes, not reading anything, just listening to the discussion. You really can't get the same online. I can't speak for the acceptance in the job market, as I'm not even there yet myself. In my opinion, however, this should not be the only reason to go to school.
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I sure hope online is not the future of education.
I've taught for over 20 years in several universities. UofP has a good business model for making money but a poor one for education. They are regionally accredited but not accredited in most of their individual degree programs. Their business degree, for example, is not AACSB accredited. They have about a 20% graduation rate but they do garner a lot of tuition fees.

Online education is more than likely going to be a huge component of higher education. I was very negative about its effectiveness at first but now I believe that it can be just as effective. I have taught at every level and every size class. My online class has much more interaction than any large section lecture hall I have ever taught. New technology has enabled delivery to be much more effective.

Online ed requires more from both the teacher and student to be effective. The upside is the increase in accessibility and convenience.
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I too teach strictly on line for a for profit college. Some of them are diploma mills and are actually horrible to their instructors (kaplan for example). On line schools are not for everyone, but they do provide a way to receive an education without having to travel long distances. I know more and more public schools are offering on line classes. Just do your research.
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I've taught for over 20 years in several universities. UofP has a good business model for making money but a poor one for education. They are regionally accredited but not accredited in most of their individual degree programs. Their business degree, for example, is not AACSB accredited. They have about a 20% graduation rate but they do garner a lot of tuition fees.

Online education is more than likely going to be a huge component of higher education. I was very negative about its effectiveness at first but now I believe that it can be just as effective. I have taught at every level and every size class. My online class has much more interaction than any large section lecture hall I have ever taught. New technology has enabled delivery to be much more effective.

Online ed requires more from both the teacher and student to be effective. The upside is the increase in accessibility and convenience.
I have taken online classes and I too thought there was at least as much interaction if not more than in a classroom. Another thing I have noticed is procrastination is death with online classes. live time forums and forums like BF fit into education nicely. I have been in live classes that had fourms online during the week. I really think the internet is and will be a great education tool. I have not really thought much about people who live in the middle of nowhere. Probably much more valuable to them.
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Look into online classes at your university. I wouldn't recommend it for more than a semester (or for important classes), but it's a chance to save a little bit of money on non-essential classes.

For example, I have a mandatory technical writing class that is only offered at my university (no community colleges). I will do it online to save the extra $200 for those credit hours.
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I looked into the U of P classes and then called UT San Antonio which happens to be local for me. Nothing transfers. So I would be wasting money if I wante to get some classes done online. Fortunatley UTSA has classes online, but are not anything that I would need or haven't taken already, so that is a bit of a downer.
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Most of us need the personal interaction you get out of a class. I know I do, especially where technical subjects are concerned. A large part of that is simply seeing the teacher deal with dumb questions. It is, as they say, a process.
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Most of us need the personal interaction you get out of a class. I know I do, especially where technical subjects are concerned. A large part of that is simply seeing the teacher deal with dumb questions. It is, as they say, a process.
+1. It's the personal interaction that I find very important. I took an online course in high school, I hated it.
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Agreed. I took a course online at UT, was totally a waste of time I thought as opposed to a classroom setting.
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I think that online or distance education works very well for the disciplined working adult. For most students coming right out of high school, I think they need the structure imposed by attending classes in person. Having done a BSc and MSc in a physical science in my teens and early 20's at a bricks and mortar university and a MBA via distance learning when I was in my late 30's, the MBA was much more difficult. It required a great deal of discipline to do the work and keep up since I was also raising a family and in a demanding professional career. Since I could not afford to take two years off work to go to MBA classes in person, the distance learning approach was perfect for me.

I suspect we will see much more educational content delivered via the distance learning mode in the future. If acceptance of the degree is a concern, attending distance learning classes from a bricks and mortar university should be accepted anywhere.

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Look into online classes at your university. I wouldn't recommend it for more than a semester (or for important classes), but it's a chance to save a little bit of money on non-essential classes.

For example, I have a mandatory technical writing class that is only offered at my university (no community colleges). I will do it online to save the extra $200 for those credit hours.
I had never heard of classes being cheaper on line. The one s I have done are exactly the same cost wise.
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I had never heard of classes being cheaper on line. The one s I have done are exactly the same cost wise.
In some university systems online course hours are not subject to fees. The thought is that since the student is not in residence they will not be using the sports tickets, rec center, etc. that fees pay for. Fees are roughly equal to tuition in some systems.
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Anyone have experience with this "school?" I had an admissions counselor call me and give me all the details about this program. Looks like 30k for a Batchelors degree but their degree seems laughable and is not very well received when it comes to the job market. I will admit it is convenient as hell being completely online based, but I want something that is actually going to count when it comes down to it.

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My wife got her Bachelor's in a combo of business administration and network security from UOP online. We went to Phoenix for her graduation. She followed it up with her master's in network security at Capital College, with most of that being done online. Her offers when she retired from the Air Force started at $120k. I don't think it's laughable, but experience counts too.
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