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    Wtf is up w/ the weed thread getting binned?!

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    That type of thread is frowned upon, not a good thread to be around, plus remember, there are kids that read these forums.
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    Weird, I'm certain I'm discussed that particular topic in this forum before. It's entirely up to the forum host, I suppose. Don't feel gagged though, just take your voice elsewhere.

    I still think it's weird how something can be so politicaly evil in one nation but still be a political waste of time and resources in another nation that is, otherwise, pretty similar. At least they used to be.

    I feel like I'm walking on egg shells here. Forum readers are so touchy at times on topics like this. Bah screw it.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by danka24
    That type of thread is frowned upon, not a good thread to be around, plus remember, there are kids that read these forums.
    One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris L
    One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
    True.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrichomeMonkey
    Wtf is up w/ the weed thread getting binned?!
    WTF was up with it being started is a better question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ba-Dg-Er
    WTF was up with it being started is a better question.
    Well,

    this is an off topic area of the forums, it seems like a perfectly reasonable place to discuss a topic not related to bicycles. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to the politics if it were my choice, but its not.

    Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.

    Would whomever deleted the thread like to chime in and say why? I took a lot of time to write my responses and am a bit ticked they are gone. I went and read and reread the forum guidelines and cannot find any rule the thread violated, unless it degenerated after I last looked at it.

    That being said, its your sandbox, and you get to make the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    Well,

    this is an off topic area of the forums, it seems like a perfectly reasonable place to discuss a topic not related to bicycles. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to the politics if it were my choice, but its not.

    Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.

    Would whomever deleted the thread like to chime in and say why? I took a lot of time to write my responses and am a bit ticked they are gone. I went and read and reread the forum guidelines and cannot find any rule the thread violated, unless it degenerated after I last looked at it.

    That being said, its your sandbox, and you get to make the rules.

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    I agree totally! We've discussed much more controversial issues on this board before. We allow those topics to be discussed, so why not this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris L
    One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
    That is a horrible argument.

    Looking at the topics in foo, one should also remeber this is not:

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    Well, you get the idea. If your logic holds, you have a lot of deleting to do.

    Again, this isn't my forum and will play by the rules. I just couldn't find anything in the rules that prohibited the thread. Perhaps the rules should be updated if that was indeed a banned topic so people know not to invest time in threads that contravene them. And if a thread is aginst the rules it would seem to be polite to axe it right away and not allow people to contribute to it for 2 or so days only to have their responses dumped.

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    I think it once it decided to go the route of right versus wrong perhaps it should have been moved to the political forums.
    We could argue right vs wrong of it being deleted, but before you do that, remember:

    This forum is privately owned.
    The owner sets the rules.
    The owner also selects who enforces the rules.
    Those selected, enforce the rules.

    It's not cencorship, it's control of private property. If you don't like it, you can do several things:
    Complain to the owner.
    Complain to the moderator.
    Leave.

    Or you can post and whine about it like a sniveling kind on training wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Karsten
    This forum is privately owned.
    The owner sets the rules.
    The owner also selects who enforces the rules.
    Those selected, enforce the rules.
    Thing is, I couldn't find a rule against the thread. That is my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by William Karsten
    Or you can post and whine about it like a sniveling kind on training wheels.
    That comment is against the rules. Personal attacks are not allowed by the guidelines. That being said it says a whole lot more about your personality than anyone it is directed against.

    Have a nice day,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    Thing is, I couldn't find a rule against the thread. That is my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by rulebook
    Please bear in mind that these are only guidelines; there is always a "grey area" and we understand that. Please also keep in mind that the the moderators' decision is final.
    Guess you didn't read all the way?


    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    That comment is against the rules. Personal attacks are not allowed by the guidelines. That being said it says a whole lot more about your personality than anyone it is directed against.

    Actually this is a one off on the "Spire rule of not really calling a name" greenhouse gases post # 37.

    Just playing by the rules, I am.

    If you feel like you know my personality that well.. PM me and tell me more about me. I'm curious as to who I really am.

    (in reality)If course, if you base it on what you know of me here.. then I understand your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Karsten
    Guess you didn't read all the way?
    Oh, i'm not arguing that they can't delete anything they feel like, I just think it would be nice to let the users know what is against the rules in a clearer manner so that they don't waste their time on banned stuff. Using logic or the guidelines, I can't come up with a single reason this thread was deleted other than moderators prejudices.

    Letting it go for a couple of days then axing it when the level of discussion improves seems wrong to me, but what do I know.

    In any event, as I said, I don't run the site, I will play by the rules, it would just be nice if they were more clearly posted so I could avoid wasting my efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.
    And illegal in many many others (far more than beer). There are some parts of the world where child-pornography is legal, too. However I would have no hesitation deleting a thread on that topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    That is a horrible argument.

    Looking at the topics in foo, one should also remeber this is not:

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    Well, you get the idea. If your logic holds, you have a lot of deleting to do.
    Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris L
    And illegal in many many others (far more than beer). There are some parts of the world where child-pornography is legal, too. However I would have no hesitation deleting a thread on that topic.
    Well, if you were to delete everry thread that at all touched on potentially illegal activity, you would be very busy. I think pretty much everyone here could agree that child pornography is bad. Exactly how that is related to this topic I have no idea. Name one country where it is legal.

    In any event I wasnt advocating illegal activity, but a change in the law. I could see moving it to politics, but deleting seemed harsh.

    In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal." Logically, beer and MJ threads are identical. But, personal prejudices could taint a thread one way or the other. As to beer being widely legal, I think it is illegal in most muslim countries, but don't quote me on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris L
    Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
    Oh, like:
    blonde jokes
    Russel Crowes band
    Jumping on logs
    past life regression

    and many more off topic threads you have participated in are cyling related. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Your logic is still not so good here.

    Anyway, i'm not saying you can't or shouldn't delete threads, I just think that the timing stunk, and I can't see any reason it was dumped. Guess you can so my opinion doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris L
    Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
    "I couldnt come up with a good name for an off-topic forum. I stole this one from WebmasterWorld.com... Any ideas for a better name?" - Joe G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    Well, if you were to delete everry thread that at all touched on potentially illegal activity, you would be very busy. I think pretty much everyone here could agree that child pornography is bad. Exactly how that is related to this topic I have no idea.
    You would be surprised. Pretty much every thread that ever gets deleted would get complaints about "censorship". If this had been a child pornography thread, you can bet I'd be responding to similar posts (abeit from different members) right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal." .
    I don't know where that statement comes from, but it simply isn't true. It's still illegal in Nimbin -- even if the police don't always enforce the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    Oh, like:
    blonde jokes
    Russel Crowes band
    Jumping on logs
    past life regression

    and many more off topic threads you have participated in are cyling related. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Your logic is still not so good here.
    When in Rome...

    The whole point is, nobody has attempted to ban off-topic threads per se, I was just pointing out that this is primarily a cycling forum. If one is going to discuss topics with questionable legal or moral status that don't relate to the primary function, one is straying into that grey area mentioned above. If one's primary function is discussing issues such as this, not relating to cycling, perhaps this is not the forum for them.
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    The threads are still around, they are under review by myself and the other mods at this time.

    As the forum admin, my goal here is to create a site that allows the community to grow. My goal for bikeforums is to have a newbie friendly place, were anyone, no mater what bike they ride, there age, race, location. can feel welcome.

    The two big things that stop this from happening are personal insults, and language issues. I try to cover all aspects of keeping the community to standards in the guidelines (not rules!). Obviously, not everything can be placed in the guidelines.

    Some topics, such as the weed topic are very border line. If a thread gets reported, and a member here doesn't feel comfortable with the thread on the forums, myself, and the mods will discuss that situation, and then take action. That is what happened here. And believe me, it wasn't a unanimous vote to remove that thread.

    More important then the guidelines, are the general principles: http://www.bikeforums.net/faq.php?fa...ral_principles; after reading that, I think you can see why the thread was deleted.

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    Thanks Joe. If you could just get people like me to behave every now and then it would be nice. BTW, I am thanking you for not having banned me in the past during some of my darker moments.

    But the weed thread was a bit useless. Can I start a masturb***** thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamDaBikinMan
    Thanks Joe. If you could just get people like me to behave every now and then it would be nice. BTW, I am thanking you for not having banned me in the past during some of my darker moments.

    But the weed thread was a bit useless. Can I start a masturb***** thread?
    I betcha I've been closer to being banned than you..

    As for the other thread: fine, so long as you're wearing underwear!!
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    It would be interesting to see what replies we would get huh William.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris L
    I don't know where that statement comes from, but it simply isn't true. It's still illegal in Nimbin -- even if the police don't always enforce the law.
    weed decriminalized in Westernn AU

    now posession results in a minor ticket rather than jail. Similar in seriousness to, oh, running a stopsign on your bicycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris L
    If one is going to discuss topics with questionable legal or moral status that don't relate to the primary function, one is straying into that grey area mentioned above. If one's primary function is discussing issues such as this, not relating to cycling, perhaps this is not the forum for them.
    I quite enjoy discussing off topic items with like minded people, i/e other cyclists. If you peruse the Politics forum there are many more offensive and morally or legally questionable discussions than wether or not to make MJ less illegal in some countries.

    In any event, no hard feelings, I just think you are wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester69
    I just think it would be nice to let the users know what is against the rules in a clearer manner so that they don't waste their time on banned stuff. Using logic or the guidelines, I can't come up with a single reason this thread was deleted other than moderators prejudices.
    Yup, that's also where I'm coming from. I thought that the "weed" thread was as productive as any off-topic thread that I've seen. Some of the information discussed was new to me, and certainly opened my eyes. It wasn't a thread where individuals were abusing the rules. Nobody (that I read) was saying "Hey, we should all break the law and smoke weed". It was more of a discussion of the merits of fighting the war on drugs.

    For the record, I don't smoke dope, but I wouldn’t mind hearing differing viewpoints on the subject of the war on drugs. Given the huge expense of this war, and the military war on terrorism we are currently fighting, it really seems to be a topic that we all could benefit from discussing.

    Anywho, I really would appreciate a list of topics that are off-limits. Then, none of us will waste our time on a thread that is ultimately going to get deleted.

    The list thus far:

    1. Marijuana


    What else? Joe?

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    I think you're being a bit harsh bac much unlike a cold water bong rip

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