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Old 04-03-08, 07:45 AM   #1
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For some reason, I'm wrong again.

A neighbor in our court lets her little white prissy fru fru dog loose constantly. That dog comes by my side fence and is always barking at my dogs. She barks and growls at me when I am working in my front yard. She came onto my porch as I was leaving and barked and growled. She does this to all of the neighbors. We (the neighbors) have called animal control many times when it proved that talking to them wouldn't help. (non English speaking, supposedly) The dog has been bailed out of dog jail (as well as their cat which is producing babies all over the court) many times. The cops AND the animal control have spoken to her about this.

A few of us who have dogs usually tether them somewhere in the front of our yards when we are outside working on our yards, washing the cars or just outside in general.

I had my smallest dog "Sooty" (coyote/lab mix) tethered with a cable that reached to the edge of my property, minus two feet.

This little fru fru came over barking like crazy. My dog was laying down, turned her head to see what that was and just stared at it, while still laying down.

Well...that thing came onto the lawn, a little too close and my dog went after it. She went with such force she broke the lead on the cable. I immediately turned and went after her. She chased that dog onto her own porch and got into a position of attack.

Luckily she is on voice command. As soon as I told her to "get over here" she retreated.

The owner of fru fru came out and screamed at me (in perfect English) that I should have my dog on a leash. That this is my fault and that I'm lucky my dog didn't bite hers, that she is going to sue me for scaring her.

WTH???

I asked my co workers and they said I was liable because she broke the leash.

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Horse****. There's nothing to be liable for. The lady hasn't been damaged at all, and neither has her dog. Relax. There's no case here.
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Your word against your neighbor's. Don't see a suit built on that.

Maybe take fru fru on a ride to a animal control dept far far away?
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Oh, is the dog scared for life? Ugh. Ignore the ingnoramus (and get a new leash).
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get one of these and use it on Fru Fru critter next time.




Then call animal control.
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I talked to my neighbors about this and they said they would vouch for the fact that her dog is always loose. Plus records of it being in dog jail should help too, right?

I know that there is pretty much nothing to sue me for but I'm concerned about getting a fine for my dog being off the leash. I saved it for proof that it was broken.
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Then call animal control.
My neighbor that lives next door to them has used a trap for it twice already. And for their cats. That is how it gets into the dog jail.
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They can't fine a person unless they see it themselves(I too had this problem with a neighbor). And if they saw what you described, I seriously doubt they would fine you anyway.
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Anyone can try and sue you, but if there is no damage to anything there is nothing to recover. It'd hard to prove a dog is scared in court.
If your dog gets off your property and damages the other dog you may have a big problem. Keep your dog on your property no matter what. Just in case something does happen.

You probably already thought about a fence and don't want to spend the money. Call a lawyer if you know one and ask for suggestions, and take pictures of her dog every time it is in your yard. Also ask the police or animal control for suggestions. You never know what you might learn.
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Anyone can try and sue you, but if there is no damage to anything there is nothing to recover. It'd hard to prove a dog is scared in court.
If your dog gets off your property and damages the other dog you may have a big problem. Keep your dog on your property no matter what. Just in case something does happen.

You probably already thought about a fence and don't want to spend the money. Call a lawyer if you know one and ask for suggestions, and take pictures of her dog every time it is in your yard. Also ask the police or animal control for suggestions. You never know what you might learn.
I tried to keep her on my property, hence the cable. The part that connects to her collar broke. Maybe I just shouldn't take her outside to begin with...

None of us have fences in the front yard and I had considered it. But she got this dog after I did the landscaping. In order for me to do a fence in the front yard I have to re do the water sprinkler lines since they go right to the edge to my property by the sidewalk. The fence would be right on top of the sprinkler lines.

I really shouldn't have to go through this if SHE kept her dog on a tether.

EDIT: The neighbor said SHE was scared for her dog's life. No issue about the dog being scared.
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Start taking video of the dog off the leash. Keep a record. If there is a leash law, then she is breaking it by not having her dog on a leash. Just because a dog is little doesn't mean that if it provokes your dog it shouldn't pay the consequences. Sounds like the fru fru dog is the one who is at fault.

See if you can get Cesar Millan to testify for ya.
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EDIT: The neighbor said SHE was scared for her dog's life. No issue about the dog being scared.
Maybe that will convince her not to let HER dog loose. OK, maybe that's not quite a dog.....
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Good idea about the video!! The one next door took still pictures of it in his yard. But not in mine. I think I will probably do that after work.
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To me, it seems obvious that you just witnessed the fun side of both dogs Siu.

You have described perfectly a little known canine activity known as doggy tag. Your dog was obviously "IT" and your neighbors porch was obviously "BASE".

Your neighbor just needs to be informed about doggy tag, and all should be fine.
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I tried to keep her on my property, hence the cable. The part that connects to her collar broke. Maybe I just shouldn't take her outside to begin with...

None of us have fences in the front yard and I had considered it. But she got this dog after I did the landscaping. In order for me to do a fence in the front yard I have to re do the water sprinkler lines since they go right to the edge to my property by the sidewalk. The fence would be right on top of the sprinkler lines.

I really shouldn't have to go through this if SHE kept her dog on a tether.

EDIT: The neighbor said SHE was scared for her dog's life. No issue about the dog being scared.
If you tried and failed to keep your dog on your property it does not matter, the law does not care. (I know you're in the right, not her.) You are required to know how good your leash works.
The broken leash only proves your dog did get off of it. It's no help legally to you for violating a leash law. It's worse.

No you should not have to go through this. The law doesn't care. All you can do legally is protect yourself from being reported for breaking the law. It stinks, but that's the way it is. There's nothing fair or just about it, nothing. That's why I suggested a lawyer, what's fair to you probably does not have anything to do with the law. Start building a legal case for the future by having photos, the digital camera will attach the date to each photo. Or build a fence. You probalby can't get any justice at all. But you could get busted for your dog off leash or really sued if your dog does hurt the other one. Protect yourself, idiots like that sue people all the time.

Oops.. she was scared, OK. She probably was. That might get her to call a lawyer. IN fact if she sues, because your dog did really damage the other dog some day, ultimately your home owners insurance company may drop you, It's legal, it has happened to me. They can do that. You lose again !!
The idiot may already have a photo of your dog out of your yard. Idiots get sued and then they learn about what to do to sue someone else.
The ultimate price of all the sprinkler and fence stuff might be a bargain. Your insurance will go up probably if you get dropped.

You being in the right, and the fact that you should get a fair deal means NOTHING.

My homeowners insurance dropped me. After grabbing the mail in his teeth when it comes in the mail slot and bringing the mail to me for months, a new letter carrier was on the route one day and she stuck a letter in the slot with her fingers on top of it. All Bailey could see was the letter, it was higher than his head so he grabed it just like always. He bit right through a finger. My homeowners has to cover that incident and they did. Then they dropped me. Three bites and the dog gets put down. Probably, but not neccesarily the same for you. It's easy to find out. Be carefull.
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Good idea about the video!! The one next door took still pictures of it in his yard. But not in mine. I think I will probably do that after work.
Oooo definitely a good choice of action!
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Siu,

I have to disagree with 2manybikes' passive strategy here. He's no doubt correct about the law and insurance, but you need to change the dynamics of the situation. Take the opportunity to put these crappy dog owners on the defensive.

Next time her dog comes into your yard, go over to her house, bang on her door, say "Your dog was loose, came into my yard and scared me. I have pictures, and I'm going to sue you". ...and take the pictures.


A more devious, but perhaps more effective way to deal with the situation - next time the dog is trapped, remove the tags (if they have any), take it to a friend who lives a few blocks away, get them outside, and release the dog where it can be easily caught. Your friend can then take the dog to the shelter, and truthfully say the dog was running in my yard without tags. If fru-fru's owners get the dog back, there will be an official record that the dog was running loose. If they don't get the dog back (no tags, so they probably won't know who to call), it will either be adopted by a (hopefully) better owner, or receive an expedited trip to doggy heaven.
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Everyone is looking at the legal side of this... But I look at the dog side of this... I don't think the drop-kick will be bothering you or your dogs anymore
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I have two Shih-tzus. They are fearless and will bark at dogs 10 times their size, and I don't think one episode like what happened would cure them of that instinct. We have the sense to keep them in the house, on a leash, or in the fenced yard, so we don't have incidents like fru fru.
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If you tried and failed to keep your dog on your property it does not matter, the law does not care. (I know you're in the right, not her.) You are required to know how good your leash works.
The broken leash only proves your dog did get off of it. It's no help legally to you for violating a leash law. It's worse.

No you should not have to go through this. The law doesn't care. All you can do legally is protect yourself from being reported for breaking the law. It stinks, but that's the way it is. There's nothing fair or just about it, nothing. That's why I suggested a lawyer, what's fair to you probably does not have anything to do with the law. Start building a legal case for the future by having photos, the digital camera will attach the date to each photo. Or build a fence. You probalby can't get any justice at all. But you could get busted for your dog off leash or really sued if your dog does hurt the other one. Protect yourself, idiots like that sue people all the time.

Oops.. she was scared, OK. She probably was. That might get her to call a lawyer. IN fact if she sues, because your dog did really damage the other dog some day, ultimately your home owners insurance company may drop you, It's legal, it has happened to me. They can do that. You lose again !!
The idiot may already have a photo of your dog out of your yard. Idiots get sued and then they learn about what to do to sue someone else.
The ultimate price of all the sprinkler and fence stuff might be a bargain. Your insurance will go up probably if you get dropped.

You being in the right, and the fact that you should get a fair deal means NOTHING.

My homeowners insurance dropped me. After grabbing the mail in his teeth when it comes in the mail slot and bringing the mail to me for months, a new letter carrier was on the route one day and she stuck a letter in the slot with her fingers on top of it. All Bailey could see was the letter, it was higher than his head so he grabed it just like always. He bit right through a finger. My homeowners has to cover that incident and they did. Then they dropped me. Three bites and the dog gets put down. Probably, but not neccesarily the same for you. It's easy to find out. Be carefull.
While in CA, anything's possible, I have to disagree on your first point. Breaking the law includes INTENT to break the law and showing your dog was tethered with a strong leash, good collar and whatnot shows the intent to keep it leashed. Of course, for a misdemeanor, all this doesn't really matter.

In a civil suit, it's what the lawyers can convince a jury or judge, however, and in CA, that pretty much runs the gamut from nothing to your whole life's savings!

Insurance, on the other hand, is a whole other world.
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Hire a doggie hitman. This little runt needs to be dissapeared.

Or catch and mail it to Abu Dhabi.
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You can sue anyone for anything, doesn't mean you'll win. There is so much paperwork on her dog you have nothing to worry about. On a side note, i'd of told her to go f%^k herself and that i'm calling INS. See what she has to say then.......
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Even IF in the highly unlikely case she wins, the most you're liable for is a replacement dog (they are considered possessions). So let your dog eat the little yapper next time and then all you have to do is go down to the pound and get her a real dog.
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