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    Homebrewing and Winemaking

    So I ordered a one gallon winemaking kit online this week and it arrived today. First recipe:

    2 cans of Welch's 100% red grape juice concentrate
    about 2.75 cups of sugar
    about 0.75 tsp yeast nutrient
    1 package (5 grams) Red Star Montrachet yeast
    O.G. was 1.095
    Trying to keep this recipe simple.



    For now, I think I'll just stick to concentrates, but this summer I want to try some fruit wine (strawberry) with fresh fruit. Also might want to try making some mead sometime. Hmmm, I think I need some more buckets and gallon jugs.

    As soon as I have a bit more money, I hope to get some beer-making equipment.

    I know there are some homebrewers in Foo with lots of experience. Whatcha got?

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    be careful with montrachet yeast. It can result in a Hydrogen Sulfide smell if you leave the wine on the lees too long. Its a great yeast, but can be finicky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    be careful with montrachet yeast. It can result in a Hydrogen Sulfide smell if you leave the wine on the lees too long. Its a great yeast, but can be finicky.
    It was the yeast that was included in the kit. I also got a couple Pasteur Champagne yeast packs.

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    I have an urge to start homebrewing myself... but want to homebrew something that is worth drinking, and can finish fermentation in bottles, so I can hand the bottles out at parties.

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    Wine from welches eh? I bet that'll be...interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Wine from welches eh? I bet that'll be...interesting.
    For sure. But I ain't no wine connoisseur, so it'll probably taste fine to me.

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    I'd be less worried about the Welch's and more worried about the plastic bucket. Yech!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Wine from welches eh? I bet that'll be...interesting.

    Yes it is. I knew someone who used to go that route.

    To the OP, buy a real wine kit with veriatal (sp?) juice. You seem to like red, get a pinot noir or such. They used to be about $25 - $35 USD. Also invest in glass carboys for secondary fermentation.

    Mead is easy but you'll need a cheap supply of honey.


    EDIT: Plastic is fine for the 1st week or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maalea View Post
    Yes it is. I knew someone who used to go that route.

    To the OP, buy a real wine kit with variatal (sp?) juice. You seem to like red, get a pinot noir or such. They used to be about $25 - $35 USD. Also invest in glass carboys for secondary fermentation.

    Mead is easy but you'll need a cheap supply of honey.


    EDIT: Plastic is fine for the 1st week or so.
    I got a couple of one gallon glass jugs as well.

    I am a wine novice, so I think frozen juice concentrate will be fine for now. I know a girl in my classes who is studying viticulture. I'll ask her if she can get me some good grapes.

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    Starting from the grape is a lot of work and you need a press. Buy a 5 gallon kit at a local homebrew store or online.

    Here's a link for some real info. It's been 5 years since I made anything but I am hankering to do a batch or two of beer.

    http://www.brewingkb.com/wine/


    Edit: Mead is more like making beer in that you need to boil the wort before fermentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taerom View Post
    So I ordered a one gallon winemaking kit online this week and it arrived today. First recipe:

    2 cans of Welch's 100% red grape juice concentrate
    about 2.75 cups of sugar
    about 0.75 tsp yeast nutrient
    1 package (5 grams) Red Star Montrachet yeast
    O.G. was 1.095
    Trying to keep this recipe simple.
    Back in the day (as in the early 1970's), a recipe very similar to this (mainly grape juice concentrate, water and yeast) was in the Whole Earth Catalog. Their "winemaking" technique involved putting the ingredients into a galllon jug and putting a balloon over the top, replacing the balloon if it popped. I swear I am not making this up. If memory serves, the process took three weeks from mixing to drinking.

    If memory serves, the alleged wine was alarmingly sweet and about as good as the first ingredient on the list would suggest. Go try some Mogan David or, better yet, Manischevitz. If you like that, you might be able to tolerate this stuff.

    I bet it leaves a nasty hangover, too. Fortunately, I do not know about that from experience.
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    i've been brewing beer for about a dozen years. never had an inclination to try brewing wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
    I bet it leaves a nasty hangover, too. Fortunately, I do not know about that from experience.
    I wonder about the extent to which you can adjust this by running it through a brita filter or other source of activated charcoal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taerom View Post
    So I ordered a one gallon winemaking kit online this week and it arrived today.
    I would like some mead, please.
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    You can make beer with what you got and some bottling equipment from you friendly home-brew store in Houghton MI. All you and your Foo friends need to do is empty several dozen bottles first.

    I don't make wine myself as I've found out how to get all the wine I can drink for free.
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    Airlock is bubbling away nicely this morning. Kitchen smells a bit like hydrogen sulfide, maybe from the Montrachet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post

    I bet it leaves a nasty hangover, too. Fortunately, I do not know about that from experience.
    I do.

    The equipment for beer brewing is essentially the same.



    Buy the book: The Complete Joy of Homebrewing by Charles Papazian. It explains all that you need. Gives recipes, etc.

    These sites are useful, too.
    http://morebeer.com/
    http://www.home-brew.com/mm5/
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    Quote Originally Posted by trsidn View Post
    The equipment for beer brewing is essentially the same.

    Buy the book: The Complete Joy of Homebrewing by Charles Papazian. It explains all that you need. Gives recipes, etc.

    These sites are useful, too.
    http://morebeer.com/
    http://www.home-brew.com/mm5/
    Thanks for the links.

    I haven't really seen any info on brewing one gallon batches of beer. I will probably get a five gallon setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taerom View Post
    Thanks for the links.

    I haven't really seen any info on brewing one gallon batches of beer. I will probably get a five gallon setup.
    I have honestly never heard of brewing a one gallon batch. Five seems to be the minimum.
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    Batch size depends on the equipment you're using. Those little benchtop kits that look like a miniature plastic barrel are 1 gallon and use their own pre-measured mixes. Most homebrewing kits (Cooper's, Munton's, John Bull) and brewing recipes are measured for 40 pints (5 gal).
    I had my "party brew" rig long ago: 100L media barrel that I got from my lab. If you can do the math, you can brew any size batch that you've got the equipment for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    Batch size depends on the equipment you're using. Those little benchtop kits that look like a miniature plastic barrel are 1 gallon and use their own pre-measured mixes. Most homebrewing kits (Cooper's, Munton's, John Bull) and brewing recipes are measured for 40 pints (5 gal).
    I had my "party brew" rig long ago: 100L media barrel that I got from my lab. If you can do the math, you can brew any size batch that you've got the equipment for.
    eeehhh...when you get to really large batches, it might be advisable to have a cooling blanket or other method of cooling. Those little yeasty guys can actually produce enough heat to hurt themselves. At least when making wine...not sure about beers.

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    I wanna start curing my own prosciuttos and serrano hams. Together with Taerom Farms, I think we can capture the important 18-25 yo sophisticated wino market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trsidn View Post
    I do.

    The equipment for beer brewing is essentially the same.



    Buy the book: The Complete Joy of Homebrewing by Charles Papazian. It explains all that you need. Gives recipes, etc.

    These sites are useful, too.
    http://morebeer.com/
    http://www.home-brew.com/mm5/
    The Papazian book is good and has some humorous parts and neat recipes, but for true knowledge, try John Palmers How to Brew. His first edition is online at

    www.howtobrew.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by trsidn View Post
    I have honestly never heard of brewing a one gallon batch. Five seems to be the minimum.
    BYO magazine did an issue on small batches recently. 2 main reasons are to experiment with different recipes with out wasting 4 gallons and simply to minimize the space needed to brew.

    edit...BYO= Brew Your Own
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    I've done 15 gallon batches of beer (all grain) with no problem. A word to anyone trying to make something you can be proud of, use liquid yeast. It needs a little more TLC and it costs more but the quality is well worth it.
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