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Old 04-03-08, 11:39 PM   #1
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XP not going anywhere soon

Mentioned on slashdot:

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008...w-cost-laptops

Apparently, its just XP Home, but MS is extending the last day it is being produced to June 30, 2010, or one year after MS puts their next client OS out.

My two cents:

XP is fine, but its going on seven years since it was released. No OS in history ever has had to be stuck at one version level for that long due to market pressures. We all know Vista's issues, but all and all, its a security step in the right direction, from BitLocker on servers and laptops, to definite user/administrator separation, to a better Windows Update mechanism.

What is ironic is that Microsoft already has made an OS for lower end PCs, called Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs (or WinFLP for short... ironic name). Its more of a terminal server client OS, but I wonder why MS doesn't repackage that for the EeePC and other low end laptops.

Vista's perceived hardware requirements were such a step up that companies couldn't just fold it in in a major OS upgrade cycle like was done with XP over 2000. Companies are holding off on Vista until they refresh all hardware (usually in three year cycles due to tax amortization), staying with Windows XP until Windows 7 comes out, or just migrating to a completely different platform (Linux, Macs, or Suns.) Had MS kept Vista's hardware requirements on par with most hardware, companies would have just bit the bullet and rolled it out. For example, after XP was in the market for a while (definitely after SP2), you rarely hear people clamor for MS to keep selling Windows 2000 or Windows ME.

Maybe MS should consider releasing a "Windows 5.3 [1]" as an OS upgrade for current XP installs, and bundle some decent features with it, such as a dedicated Windows Update tool not dependent on IE, protected mode IE (where if IE 7 on Vista gets compromised the damage done is limited), and some other features that wouldn't increase the OS's memory footprint, but provide security upgrades in historically weak areas of the OS. I personally would argue for UAC, but that is controversial and a lot of people don't like that feature. Perhaps add some gaming and media functionality to WinFLP, and call it done.

[1]: Windows 2000 has a kernel 5.0, Windows XP is at 5.1, Windows Server 2003 is at 5.2.
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Old 04-03-08, 11:57 PM   #2
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What is ironic is that Microsoft already has made an OS for lower end PCs, called Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs (or WinFLP for short... ironic name). Its more of a terminal server client OS, but I wonder why MS doesn't repackage that for the EeePC and other low end laptops.
Because it's a Windows Embedded derivative client OS is why, rather than a fully fledged general purpose OS, and because even ULCPCs are considerably higher specc'd than the minimum requirements for XP. Makes more sense to simply extend the availability period, I'd have thought.
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Old 04-04-08, 05:18 AM   #3
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I installed Ubuntu 7.10 last week. Even that keeps coming up with UAC-like notifications. But I dont hear any Linux people complain about that (I dont know if they do, but I just haven't heard).
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I installed Ubuntu 7.10 last week. Even that keeps coming up with UAC-like notifications. But I dont hear any Linux people complain about that (I dont know if they do, but I just haven't heard).
But they are more logica, at least imo. They ask you for elevated rights to do items YOU can define as needing elevated rights. Microsoft Vista assumes everyones a moron and requires you to do it every time you get up to pee.

That said, being a procrastinator, I haven't researched to see if I can turn down the constant bombardment of "you need elevated rights"...maybe it is possible to turn this down or off, or even micro manage it so it only asks you during the times when an admin password is actually needed.
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I saw the notification for xp. Good on them, I hope it goes another step further and extended xp pro.

I am just glad I already have all the licenses for vista, my exec team would be annoyed to have to drop another quarter million on licensing again.
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I'm still running Windows 2000. Heck, I'm still installing it on new machines at my house. There's absolutely nothing that I've ever wanted to do that I couldn't do fine in W2K. I don't see anything coming down the pike either. OK, future Photoshop versions will be 64 bit only, but honestly, I could get by just fine with a 4-year-old copy of Photoshop Elements.

The vast majority of people have gotten nothing for their money from all these "upgrades".

I would *REALLY* like to be running Linux on the desktop - I have been using it for over 10 years on servers and love it. but I have hardware that is not and will not be supported under Linux, and for which there's no reasonable replacement. I've run several versions, most recently Ubuntu, and I love it. If it would only support my hardware I'd be there.
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Old 04-04-08, 12:43 PM   #7
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What software causes tons of UAC prompts? I rarely have that pop up unless I'm installing or updating software, or starting up the one MMO that just has to run with full admin rights.

When installing software, I pop up an elevated command prompt and start from there, so it can run its full install without ever needing elevation.

If you have software that has to have elevated rights 24/7, I'd consider looking into Thinstall. Thinstall is great for ensuring that misbehaving apps think they are running with full rights... but the actual processes never leave user space nor ask for admin rights. I have a Thinstalled version of iTunes (from thindownload.com) which I use here and there, as I just didn't want to install something that brings along with it a slew of background tasks that have to run as system.

As for Linux, I would love to see the same thing, where people move to 64 bit completely. Only problem is that Linux is used for embedded stuff, and you might be only stuck with a 32 bit platform. For the most part, other operating systems made the jump from 32 bit to 64 bit fairly painlessly. AIX did the jump from 32 bit to 64 bit in a 0.0.1 version update, Solaris did it in a point version. Ten years later, MS is trying to drag devs kicking and screaming to do the same.

Maybe MS, in Windows 7, should make it 64 bit (like they are doing with Windows Server 2008 R2 -- it will be any bitlength you want, as long as its 64 bit), and any 32 bit apps can run in a VM.

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and what really sucks is Microsloth is discontinuing XP at the end of June. They are going to force all computer companies to go to Vista. However, from what I have heard, software distributors are stocking up on copies of XP, so it still will be available after Microsucks makes their biggest mistake since the release of Vista.
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I liked XP. sigh.

We're on Win 2007 at work. With "ribbons" for drop down menus. Not crazy about it at all.
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