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    Anyone else....

    Who does NOT consider themselves a "granola munchin, earth mamma (daddy) hug-a-tree" considering things like Solar panels and Electricity generating wind turbines?

    I'm not (I like my cars and my meat! ) but do consider these things as things that should be much more common. I'm cheap and broke..... If I can install something that will lower the cost of my utility bill (mabey even give me some $ back) so much the better.


    BTW. This was/ is not intended to start some kind of flame war. Just curious.

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    I like the idea of solar and windpower. Living in hail prone Texas, solar seems a bit sketchy, but wind power is really catching on out here. I see the HUGE wind turbines going by in pieces on trucks all the time, heading to the Texas panhandle. Driving through those wind farms is almost surreal and very mesmerizing.
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    My dad is way right of Genghis Khan and totally into alternative energy. Mostly like in an off-the-grid way so he can keep his searchlights up to shoot trespassers while leaving his windows open and letting his heater and a/c battle it out to make little conflicting weather fronts in different rooms of his house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    My dad is way right of Genghis Khan and totally into alternative energy. Mostly like in an off-the-grid way so he can keep his searchlights up to shoot trespassers while leaving his windows open and letting his heater and a/c battle it out to make little conflicting weather fronts in different rooms of his house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Driving through those wind farms is almost surreal and very mesmerizing.
    That's how you get caught in the blades....
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildogmech View Post
    If I can install something that will lower the cost of my utility bill (mabey even give me some $ back) so much the better.
    well, the problem right now is that the consumer costs are still high enough and the utility savings low enough that for most people installing wind/solar panels takes years to pay for itself. and only then if your equipment has been reasonably maintenance free.

    while the manufacturing costs are coming down, the costs of the requisite materials (especially silicon for solar panels) are going up. from what i read, you're pretty much guaranteed to get back what you pay, but how long that takes can still really vary.

    one boon to buying in now is that if (some would say when) energy prices skyrocket, so will demand for these technologies. and at least for awhile, their prices will rise too. if i owned a place and could afford it, i'd be getting in on the ground floor.

    one thing to consider is whether or not your state or county subsidizes these technologies. you could get a break on the equipment, and if you're able to generate more than you use some places will actually pay you the rates that they charge for the amount of energy you put into the grid.

    p.s. i like meat, i drive a car AND i'm a granola munching tree-hugger.
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    I love Marines.

    Not like that, you perverts.
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    I have never seen a granola munching tree. sounds scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twahl View Post
    I love Marines.

    Not like that, you perverts.

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    Marines confuse me, but I like them anyway.
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    I would consider it, but this is GA. If the hail didn't shatter the solar panels, then the tornados would.
    Same would happen to a windmill...I think a small windmill would be kind of dangerous in a 150 mph F3 Tornado.
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    Not much of a hippie here, but It would be cool to be self-powered. It's harder for the ATF to
    cut the power that way.

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    I have looked into it and it is in my long range plans to become at least partially independent of the grid.

    My reason is not to save the planet all by myself, it's not to stick it to the Man of corporate utility companies...it's so I have a whole-house UPS that will run the cistern pump and furnace fan when we lose power for days during harsh Winters, and so my computers won't shut off when it happens. If I had even minimal power, my energy-efficient computers and modem would get me through the dark nights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobartlemagne View Post
    Not much of a hippie here, but It would be cool to be self-powered. It's harder for the ATF to
    cut the power that way.
    makes the headshot more attractive.
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    If your utility company offers it, you could sign up for something like this. I signed up at the 100% level. It's a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That Guy View Post
    If your utility company offers it, you could sign up for something like this. I signed up at the 100% level. It's a start.
    Isn't offsetting like paying your butler to drive a Prius?
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    I don't see anything tree hugger by having a couple windmills, or other power sources so one can run off-grid if need be for while.

    There is something called common sense which transcends either wing (conservative or liberal), just like both sides know not to light farts while filling their vehicles up at a gas pump, or that the air freshener in a urinal is not a big dinner mint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    the air freshener in a urinal is not a big dinner mint.
    They shouldn't flavor them that way then...
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    Mich and I were discussing this and thinking of planning a solar powered, self contained living enclosure. Hopefully that will become a reality in a few years.

    Not that we know what the heck we are talking about in terms of design and all that but we'll take our time with it and research it thoroughly.
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    It'd be pretty cool to have a house that could run completely off the electrical grid. Or at least connected to the grid only to sell off excess electricity production.

    A wind turbine and some solar panels on a nicely-built, small, efficient house would be great. Now apply that to an apartment complex...

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    In our discussion it was mentioned underground as well as solar/wind power.
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    If all goes according to plan then I should be completely off the grid by January of 2009. I will know better by the end of May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabir424 View Post
    If all goes according to plan then I should be completely off the grid by January of 2009. I will know better by the end of May.
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    See! I'm not the only one!

    We just bought a house, and after getting it more "liveable" (Gutting the ONLY bathroom at the moment!) I am realy considering a VAT (Vertacle Axis wind turbine). They cost between $5-7K.... It will take FOREVER to make that back in savings. I bet the neighbors would throw a fit if it made its way up on my roof

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