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Old 05-10-08, 09:59 AM   #1
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Smoking Bans

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My city is voting on an indoor smoking ban today. (For the second time. Two years ago it was voted down.) There have been heated debates over the issue, as you might imagine. Those for it tout health benefits of a ban; those against say it's just the government trying to take away people's rights--including the rights of business owners to decide whether they allow smoking.

I voted for it. I think it's gross to go to restaurants and have smoke drifting everywhere. (Since smoke doesn't know it's supposed to stay in the smoking section. ) It is so awesome to go to cities that have already banned smoking! Maybe those places have gone through aches and pains trying to ban it, too, but it seems like it's been particularly heated here.

Is your city smoke-free? Are you glad? Do you think it's a violation of rights? Any comments?
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Old 05-10-08, 10:13 AM   #2
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Personally, I see it as a monopoly by majority.

If a business decides to allow smoking, why should their right to choose be taken away? If you don't like it, don't frequent that particular establishment. If the vast majority of their customers don't like it, they'll lose business and the problem solves itself.

I have always preferred to vote with my feet rather than try to solve social issues with litigation.
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Old 05-10-08, 10:19 AM   #3
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My city is smoke free... but, you know it is kind of annoying having crowds of people gathered outside of bars all huddled together doing their thing... But I live in a college area - so there are lots of bars, hence lots of crowds. I guess it's really not that big a deal. Still, I feel that Jazz clubs and spoken word/poetry Jam venues should be exempt... these places are supposed to be smoky cavernous holes in the wall, you know? That's just part of the atmosphere. why they have to ruin 'everything' - you know?
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Old 05-10-08, 10:32 AM   #4
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In Plano, they made a smoking ban, complete with smoke free-zones stretching 25 feet past the
front door of any building. Im not a smoker but I am a businessman. I feel sorry for the restaurants
who have lost 30% of their revenue (I did ask a restauranteur about the effects). Turns out, the
smokers are just going to Richardson (the next town, just a couple miles to the border)

I can handle smoking sections that have their own air systems. Theres a Ralph & Kacoos Ive been
to that allows smoking at the bar and the door to the bar has weatherstripping sealing it from
the rest of the building.
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I don't smoke and hate smoky restaurants/bars.

I'd rather just see the governments give tax breaks to those businesses who ban smoking rather than making it mandatory for all businesses. People should have a choice.
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Hobartlemagne is right, all the smoking bans do is make smokers go elsewhere. It does not stop them from smoking. I was excited because we got a new oyster bar. It is right on the city limits between Plano and Richardson. Took the wife and kids there once. Will not go back, as we were the only family and the only non smokers in the place. It smelled like crap in there.
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If any of you weirdos go to Vegas, you'll die.

That lingering smoke never dies.
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It does in the sections adults can go to Maxi.
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Austin has had a smoking ban for a while now. While I personally don't care for smoke, I don't like the fact that city tells businesses what they can and can't do unless there is an obvious need for it.
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Simple solution statewide ban..
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I think we should start setting people on fire, see how they like being slowly burned to death for the pleasure of others!

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Austin has had a smoking ban for a while now. While I personally don't care for smoke, I don't like the fact that city tells businesses what they can and can't do unless there is an obvious need for it.
I have mixed feelings about smoking bans, and tend to believe that people should be free to do whatever stupid things they want to themselves, but the question that this raises is how does one determine what constitutes "an obvious need for it" in regards to the saftey and comfort of other people?

Should the city or state require that businesses meet OSHA and building code requirements? Don't like working with exposed electrical wires? Get a job somewhere else. Should they require that there be soap in the restrooms? People can vote with their feet if they want to eat in a sanitary restaurant, right?

There's plenty of peer reviewed scientific literature that demonstrates the danger of prolonged exposure to second hand smoke (of course, there's also plenty that says there isn't much danger). It's not like people are proposing these bans to spite smokers or because they like minding other people's business. The issue is a real public health and worker safety question.
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My asthma likes smoking bans. I am selfish for my hedonistic enjoyment of breathing.
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My asthma likes smoking bans. I am selfish for my hedonistic enjoyment of breathing.
You probably also like curb cuts and safety rails. Fascist.
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Old 05-10-08, 12:58 PM   #15
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New Jersey

no relief either, NYC & Philly have the bans, too. Nowhere for 'em to go!!! bwaaaahhaaahhaaaaa
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Old 05-10-08, 01:20 PM   #16
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My thinking is:

1) This isn't actually the government attempting to ban anything or force anyone to do anything. This is our municipal government responding to a group of non-smoking voters who asked for the ban. Everyone gets a say as to whether it's enacted or not.

2) Banning smoking inside makes each and every business available to everyone. Allowing smoking inside makes businesses available only to smokers and those who can stand to be around smoke. The former is more fair, if you ask me.

Actually, I wouldn't care at all if bars were exempt or small businesses or whatever, but that's not how this ordinance happens to be written. I'm mostly interested in having all restaurants smoke-free. I can't think of a single restaurant we have at the moment that has a completely separate smoking area...in fact, most are divided by a low wall, which essentially makes the entire restaurant a smoking section. Just yesterday I had to attend a lunch meeting for work. I actually had to walk through the smoking room to get to the non-smoking room.
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My asthma likes smoking bans. I am selfish for my hedonistic enjoyment of breathing.
Ditto

I was the reason my dad quit smoking. But hey, HE was probably the reason I developed asthma in the first place.

I support smoking bans because I have a right not to get rushed to the emergency room every time I go out to eat or something.
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I live in a smoke free province...good to go. Smokers don't mind either, its nice to go outside and get some "fresh" air...

The law actually just got stricter as well, can't smoke withing 3 metres of the door or opening to a building....ahhhhh
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Well, if we're going to go after those that pollute the environment we wish to reside in...

Statewide ban on cars.

I hate the exhaust smell when I'm riding on roads originally designed for bicycles and horses.
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As a person who smokes when I drink, I hate smoky bars and restaurants. Putting a smoking section in a restaurant is like putting a peeing section in a pool.
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I love smoking. Love it. Wish I still smoked. Honest.

Thank Christ that it's getting tougher to do. Unfortunately I keep finding myself living in cities where you can still do it.
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It was defeated, so we'll continue to have smoke all over the place. And I will continue to stay home.
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I love smoking. Love it. Wish I still smoked. Honest.

Thank Christ that it's getting tougher to do. Unfortunately I keep finding myself living in cities where you can still do it.
+1

I used to smoke. I really enjoyed it. Then we found out my wife was pregnant and I quit.

But, I still want one every time I smell one.

My dad quit smoking this year on January 2nd. He is 63 and had been smoking since he was 13. Illinois recently banned smoking in public businesses, restaurants, bars, etc. I believed this has helped him.
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Interesting, well-balanced discussion. I'm a moderate smoker who doesn't want to quit. Yet when I bike or trike--recumbent 3 wheeler--the last thing I want is a cigarette.

FYI, I don't drink (no particular reason) and live a healthy lifestyle otherwise. That may be why I haven't had any smoking related health issues. I also hate smoky areas and would rather smoke at home where I can keep it well ventilated.

Here's personal kicker. I grew up with a parent who had early onset Parkinson's. A few years ago, I came across a body of scientific research that consistently found about a 50% difference in people who smoked and didn't get Parkinson's vs. those who did. Check it out if you don't believe me.

Frankly, I think Parkinson's is worse than lung cancer (which only affects about 10% of smokers anyway) because it destroys EVERYTHING except the mind.

Anyhow, if triking makes me quit, OK. If not, I may be protecting myself against a worse fate.
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