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 05-24-08, 09:32 PM #1 Pheard Banned Thread Starter   Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South City, Ca Bikes: Posts: 3,348 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) How does weight affect gas mileage? Is there some kind of scale? xlbs=xmpg??? Is it different depending on certain variables? I'm trying to figure out how much weight extra will affect my mpg over a long drive.
 05-24-08, 09:36 PM #2 x136  phony collective progress     Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Hoosey Bikes: http://velospace.org/user/36663 Posts: 2,981 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) I don't think there's a simple equation for it. It depends on the car, the amount of power the car has, how much weight you're adding, how well the car can take the extra weight, etc., etc. Given two otherwise identical vehicles driven the same way, the lighter one will accelerate (and stop) faster and use less fuel in the process. The lighter/heavier the vehicles, the more pronounced this effect is. __________________
 05-24-08, 09:41 PM #3 Pheard Banned Thread Starter   Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South City, Ca Bikes: Posts: 3,348 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) Well yea, of course. I was trying to figure out a very general rule for how much extra weight can be added, before the MPG will be adversely affected. Most of the time mpg pronounced for a car isn't correct, and it never says if this is the mpg with the full weight capacity or not. I speaking of the chevy cobalt. Says it gets 33 HW mpg. I checked people reports of it's mpg. One person got 33-35mpg on tons of mountainous driving with 4 people and their luggage in the car. Another person reported almost getting 40mpg on some of the legs of his trip with 2 people in the car.
 05-24-08, 09:43 PM #4 UnsafeAlpine Domestic Domestique     Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Michigan Bikes: Brand New Old Catamount! Schwinn Homegrown, Specialized FSR, Salsa Vaya, Salsa Chile Con Crosso Posts: 1,742 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 5 Post(s) Adding any weight will negatively affect mpg. Adding more weight will affect mpg more negatively. The factors involved are too great for a simple formula.
 05-24-08, 10:24 PM #5 mlts22  Senior Member   Join Date: Aug 2006 Bikes: Posts: 998 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) I'm beginning to think, to borrow a cliche, there are lies, there are whoppers, then there are MPG figures. The type of driving someone does is king if they are going to get good MPG or not. If going through a city, having to idle often will kill gas milage, unless its a hybrid which can shut off the gasoline engine and just sit on batteries. If one's commute is primarly highway, MPG will be a lot better. The biggest factor that kills my MPG is stop and go driving in town.
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 05-24-08, 11:45 PM #7 CdCf Videre non videri   Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Bikes: 1 road bike (simple, light), 1 TT bike (could be more aero, could be lighter), 1 all-weather commuter and winter bike, 1 Monark 828E ergometer indoor bike Posts: 3,208 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) The more fuel efficient the car is, and the lighter it is, the more will extra weight negatively affect gas mileage. A huge SUV with a massive engine (that even at freeway speeds will hardly be more than idling) will not see much of a difference between empty and fully loaded.
 05-25-08, 01:52 AM #8 markjenn Senior Member   Join Date: Aug 2006 Bikes: Posts: 995 Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 66 Post(s) The key thing is to differentiate the effect of weight on stop-and-go driving vs. steady-state cruising. In steady-state cruising on level roads and with everything else being equal (e.g., a car made of aluminum vs. an indentical car made of steel), weight doesn't have much effect on mileage. Weight slightly increases the rolling resistance of the tires and slightly increases the drag of the bearings in the wheels, but at anything but very low speeds, these are minor contributors to overall vehicle drag - the big factor is aero resistance which is not affected by weight at all. But in stop-and-go driving, weight has a big effect on mileage because you're constantly accelerating the weight up to speed, and then wasting this energy as heat when you apply the brakes. - Mark
 05-25-08, 08:14 AM #9 Michigander Senior Member     Join Date: May 2005 Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton Posts: 1,726 Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 314 Post(s) It depends completely on the car and how it's set up. A better way to help the mileage is to do basic maintenance. __________________ Bring back the Sig Test! (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
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 Originally Posted by Pheard Is there some kind of scale? xlbs=xmpg??? Is it different depending on certain variables? I'm trying to figure out how much weight extra will affect my mpg over a long drive.

On the highway, assuming the weight is inside the vehicle, no hills, and you don't accelerate hard/often... not much.

Take away any one of those caveats - it will be quite negatively impacted.
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 05-25-08, 12:25 PM #12 msincredible crazy bike girl     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CA Central Coast Bikes: '07 Orbea Onix, '07 Birdy Yellow, '06 Cannondale Bad Boy (stolen) Posts: 3,326 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) If the weight is a significant proportion of the total vehicle weight, it will have a large impact. Even smaller amounts of weight (like carrying around unnecessary stuff in your trunk) will have an effect over lots of miles.
 05-25-08, 12:42 PM #13 Sledbikes Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2005 Bikes: Posts: 539 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) one way to remove weight is to buy lighter wheels those cheap pepboys 400\$ fast and furious rims are 7lbs to 12lbs lighter than factory wheels another is fiberglass or carbon fiber hoods if its applicable to the car you own