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Old 05-28-08, 06:32 PM   #1
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My boss blocked craigslist?!

And then stood around all day looking at local news websites, doing his banking, and checking his stocks. What a jerk. As a vintage bike nut, it's like being banned from the thrift store, lol. I only got on for a minute or two at a time a couple of times a day, and wasn't really letting it hinder my work. He even would check out the bikes sometimes with me while I was looking like it. Not sure why he feels justified in surfing whenever he feels like it, sometimes to the point of ignoring customers, yet I get blocked. Anyone else have a boss like this?,,,,BD
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Well the problem is that there's no privacy at work. Everyone uses every monitor, and at any time I can be walked up on from behind. IE: no booths or cubicles. Even if I could view the site, in a minute or less I would be busted.,,,,BD

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While most likely NOT to happen where I work now with students and all (shoot - they have open access to most anything!), one of my last jobs that didn't pan out had a report that was issued to the supervisors each month that tracked the internet usage of their employees. And I'm pretty sure some history showed up there as well. They implemented that program a couple months before I left (I was just a temp - and my year long sting was running out so needless to say - I WALKED ON ICE - after I knew that report was out there - nooooOOoooOoooOO bicycle forums for ME!!! - didn't need that kind of report or bad stuff following on my interview travels!).

Take care - when stuff like that is taken away - it means someone has noticed ..... if ya know what I mean ....

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Tell the boss you'll take a cut in pay if he allows you to surf craigslist.

Ya just gotta know how to speak the boss lingo.
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VPN + MSTSC + Port spoofing = sure, try to block me.
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He's probably posting on the "Sex Wanted" forums and doesn't want anyone to know.
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Did your boss block it, or does your company use a commercially available filter that includes craigslist in its blacklist?

Ours is the latter case. Oddly enough, the individual cities on craigslist are open, but the main site and the personals sections are blocked...including best of
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VPN + MSTSC + Port spoofing = sure, try to block me.
Depending on company, that's not a good idea. I do similar either doing that, or using PPP over ssh to a private machine when consulting. I've even ended up plugging a machine into my cellphone to download an emergency update before.

Some companies have to rigorously enforce website blocks due to regulations they are under (SOX, HIPAA, etc.)

If the company has admins who know their stuff (or have a good IDS in place), they will see the PPTP connections, wonder what's going on, pop a snapshot of the person's machine's screen from remote for evidence, then hand the person their walking papers for deliberately bypassing corporate security.

I'm not trying to be a corporate stiff, or rain on a parade, as some companies don't care if someone jumps their filter (usually it was put in place for legal eagle assurance against sexual harassment), but a lot of companies I've consulted for are highly proactive in searching for tunnels, P2P connections and other stuff, so the IT department can play policeman and throw the hammer at someone. Just use care.

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And then stood around all day looking at local news websites, doing his banking, and checking his stocks. What a jerk. As a vintage bike nut, it's like being banned from the thrift store, lol. I only got on for a minute or two at a time a couple of times a day, and wasn't really letting it hinder my work. He even would check out the bikes sometimes with me while I was looking like it. Not sure why he feels justified in surfing whenever he feels like it, sometimes to the point of ignoring customers, yet I get blocked. Anyone else have a boss like this?,,,,BD
Does the phrase, "I own this company and all the computers, furniture, paper, ink, printers, etc." mean anything at all? Harsh, but it's the way it is. He can do as he pleases as long as you get a check on Friday.

Honestly, it isn't your place to question his motives, much less, his restrictions. If it ticks you off, find another place to work or start your own business. It's what I did. I answer to no one and no one answers to me. I work for me, and I am my boss. I love it.
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While most likely NOT to happen where I work now with students and all (shoot - they have open access to most anything!), one of my last jobs that didn't pan out had a report that was issued to the supervisors each month that tracked the internet usage of their employees. And I'm pretty sure some history showed up there as well. They implemented that program a couple months before I left (I was just a temp - and my year long sting was running out so needless to say - I WALKED ON ICE - after I knew that report was out there - nooooOOoooOoooOO bicycle forums for ME!!! - didn't need that kind of report or bad stuff following on my interview travels!).

Take care - when stuff like that is taken away - it means someone has noticed ..... if ya know what I mean ....
As an IT admin who has blocked a lot of sites. Take note of the last sentence. No one does anything on my network through my gateway that I can't see. Including proxy servers which usually result in an automatic written letter.

The reason why they are easily noticed, they jump the number of connections on any firewall by 10x give or take. My average number of connections sit around 300...some new kid starts finds something blocked hops on hidemyass.com and it jumps to around 1000 to 2000 connections. Its very noticeable and very annoying. Little syslog looky looky and I can narrow it down to time, computer and logged in user.

Be careful. Unless of course you don't have an IT person and it was just the boss being a pain.
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VPN + MSTSC + Port spoofing = sure, try to block me.
I wouldn't block you, but I would sure notice the "odd" traffic from your pc and shut down your gateway access is a heartbeat.

Mlts had it right, some companies are required to offer high security. Not every admin is a jackass, we are just trying to do our jobs. If you are getting through the security its one of two things

a) they don't care, no legal or corporate requirement for security at that level
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Depending on company, that's not a good idea. I do similar either doing that, or using PPP over ssh to a private machine when consulting. I've even ended up plugging a machine into my cellphone to download an emergency update before.

Some companies have to rigorously enforce website blocks due to regulations they are under (SOX, HIPAA, etc.)

If the company has admins who know their stuff (or have a good IDS in place), they will see the PPTP connections, wonder what's going on, pop a snapshot of the person's machine's screen from remote for evidence, then hand the person their walking papers for deliberately bypassing corporate security.

I'm not trying to be a corporate stiff, or rain on a parade, as some companies don't care if someone jumps their filter (usually it was put in place for legal eagle assurance against sexual harassment), but a lot of companies I've consulted for are highly proactive in searching for tunnels, P2P connections and other stuff, so the IT department can play policeman and throw the hammer at someone. Just use care.
Typically running MSTSC over 443 is enough to confuse any admin, let alone one thats going to be actively digging through SSL packets as if he's actually going to find something.

I actually only use the PPTP to get to home resources, being as spoofing it off a standard Windows box doesn't work. *shakes fist at windows*. However on open networks it's really handy to help improve secure traffic and store work at home.

However, I mainly switched from web proxies to my home network to consolidate work storage to home, not so much get around web blocks, but out the other end came a lot of useful ways to punch around things if I so wanted to. My trouble making days were mostly over being as I was working at the high school, no longer a student there, however I still routinely found security holes, this time only to point them out as a "this needs to be fixed" on the long list of the upper-administration's list of things to never accomplish.
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I wouldn't block you, but I would sure notice the "odd" traffic from your pc and shut down your gateway access is a heartbeat.

Mlts had it right, some companies are required to offer high security. Not every admin is a jackass, we are just trying to do our jobs. If you are getting through the security its one of two things

a) they don't care, no legal or corporate requirement for security at that level
b) they suck
If you're watching every piece of data by hand sure, but I'm sure most admins have real work to do, being as I was one, and I typically didn't spend my time filtering through packets on the off chance that I happened to have one person that actually knew what they were doing (read: I'd be more likely to win the lotto). I depend on the idea that in order to catch me, you need to be spending such an extreme amount of manpower to catch me that it wouldn't be worth it, that and the high school was run by complete incompetent jerk offs.

To be exact, an excellent example of wasted manpower on keeping kids off of those HTTP proxies made it simple to use some of my own methods, considering a large amount of time, effort, software, and machinery was behind keeping kids of HTTP proxies, let alone someone who actually knew what they were doing. That plus traffic from administration that thought working remotely was the coolest thing ever plus all the internal bells and whistles on the network made even more noise to hide within.

Oh and they cared like hell, just there is a fine line between cost effectiveness in catching every little way to get through, especially on a large network with lots of traffic. Frankly filtering traffic is something you leave to interns as far as difficulty goes. It's not so much hard as it's just time consuming, especially considering that traffic is just growing at an extremely ridiculous rate. Of course you can always catch something, but it comes down to realizing that we're staffed with humans that have a list of things to do, and how to get as low in that list as physically possible.

Mainly I thought they were jackasses because they had this "impenetrable network" approach to how they were running things. Considering only a day or two after a major proxy was shut down, the kids were onto the next one, in an endless loop of pretend security.

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hmmmm odd, my boss pays me to work, not surf Craig's List.
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It is nice to earn a paycheck, I would just do as the man suggests.
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When did conservative management types starting coming into foo, lmao?,,,,BD
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And then stood around all day looking at local news websites, doing his banking, and checking his stocks. What a jerk. As a vintage bike nut, it's like being banned from the thrift store, lol. I only got on for a minute or two at a time a couple of times a day, and wasn't really letting it hinder my work. He even would check out the bikes sometimes with me while I was looking like it. Not sure why he feels justified in surfing whenever he feels like it, sometimes to the point of ignoring customers, yet I get blocked. Anyone else have a boss like this?,,,,BD


Assuming your boss is the owner...
It's his money. He ignores customers his pocket gets lighter. You ignore customers...HIS pocket gets lighter.

Assuming your boss is an employee...
The guy is a power tripping corporate suck up. Snitch on him and take his job.
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He's the latter, and the last three stores he's managed have been closed down. It used to be a laid back, fun place to work with my former boss. Now, you have to write down and initial your arrival times on each delivery, they call you every five minutes on the radio asking "where are you?". Kind of funny, considering that slows you down even further, and the customer is wondering why you're sitting in the truck instead of delivering his parts. My favorite part? Writing down and initialing a break log a week at a time, for breaks we don't take. Sometimes I've written 2-3 weeks at a time, because I was "behind".,,,,BD
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He's the latter, and the last three stores he's managed have been closed down. It used to be a laid back, fun place to work with my former boss. Now, you have to write down and initial your arrival times on each delivery, they call you every five minutes on the radio asking "where are you?". Kind of funny, considering that slows you down even further, and the customer is wondering why you're sitting in the truck instead of delivering his parts. My favorite part? Writing down and initialing a break log a week at a time, for breaks we don't take. Sometimes I've written 2-3 weeks at a time, because I was "behind".,,,,BD
He's the nightmare of a real boss...the hired manager who destroys morale of other staff. But he's probably a great suck up so his boss never knows what he's doing to his business
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I think you should just quit. That should tick him off.

It's obvious you aren't getting it. He's the boss, without him, you haven't any reason to whine, nor do you have a job. Deal with it, or better yet, don't. Like I said, that should change his tune.

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What the hell am I supposed to "get". I'm working on your suggestion right now, never said I wasn't. He's killing morale plain and simple. The other two guys feel the same way, and they've been there 12 and 17 years. It's not just me.,,,,BD
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What you don't 'get' is that it isn't your call. Go to work, do your job, keep you opinion to your self and get your check on Friday. Whether you like it or not is a moot point. he's the boss.

Better yet, voice your opinion and see if they need you in the morning. I wouldn't like it either, but then I'm sure you weren't hired to surf the web.

If the boss is under someone else, you can bet he's being watched just like you are being watched. No one ever said employment was going to be based on fairness of anything.

I wouldn't hire someone to stay home and mow their lawn, or wash their car, etc. Like I said, whether you like it or not doesn't matter.

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