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    J E R S E Y S B E S T Jerseysbest's Avatar
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    37" LCD TV; 720p or 1080p?

    Is it worth going for the 1080 LCD TVs in the 37" size? Can you tell the difference between the two?
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    1080, i don't have one LCD at all, but when i looked for them, the difference is there, you may have to pay good attention to brands and how their contrast ratio is, the higher it is, the better.

    Maybe someone can correct me or support this, but if you buy a 1080p with a 1000:1 contrast ratio is not worth it as much as a 15000:1 ratio?

    Good luck!
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    No, on a 37" TV you would have to sit very close to see the resolution between 1080p and 720p. Generally until you get over 43" you can stick with 720p and even then it depends on how close you sit. Regardless of resolution your eyes can only see so much detail and this is highly dependent on how close you sit to the Tv.

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    Very nice, i now know what to really look for, hehehe, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by naujcdl View Post
    1080, i don't have one LCD at all, but when i looked for them, the difference is there, you may have to pay good attention to brands and how their compression ratio is, the higher it is, the better.

    Maybe someone can correct me or support this, but if you buy a 1080p with a 1000:1 compression ratio is not worth it as much as a 15000:1 ratio?

    Good luck!
    I think you mean contrast ratio, right? The contrast ratio numbers that different manufacturers put out are highly variable, as there's really no industry standard for measuring this number. An LCD TV from a quality manufacturer like Sony, LG, Panasonic, etc, that has a 1000:1 contrast ratio is often much better than a no-name LCD TV with a claimed 10,000:1 contrast ratio. Go with how it looks to your eyes instead of based on this number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamalster View Post
    I think you mean contrast ratio, right? The contrast ratio numbers that different manufacturers put out are highly variable, as there's really no industry standard for measuring this number. An LCD TV from a quality manufacturer like Sony, LG, Panasonic, etc, that has a 1000:1 contrast ratio is often much better than a no-name LCD TV with a claimed 10,000:1 contrast ratio. Go with how it looks to your eyes instead of based on this number.
    Always go with what looks better to you but realize that in most stores the displays are set in store mode which greatly increases the sharpness and contrast to make the picture look good in a brightly lit space. Good black levels and high contrast will make more of difference than resolution on a 37". To make things really look good you can get a calibration disk and adjust your setting or even spend bigger bucks on a professional calibration. If you think cycling has a lot of swag and expense getting into home theater really sucks you in. Next you need a new audio system, dedicated subwoofers........
    The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard and the shallow end is much too large

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    To the OP, depending on what you'll be viewing most of the time, it may be worth looking into a TV with a 120Hz refresh rate (instead of the standard 60Hz). There are more and more TVs out there now with the higher refresh rate, and I find that it makes watching any TV program with a lot of motion (sports, action movies, etc.) much more enjoyable as there's less of the "streaking" effect.

    If you're interested, the reason for this (as I understand it) is that TV shows are broadcast at 24 frames per second. At a 60 Hz refresh rate, the TV has to decide which frames to show for 2 cycles and which to show for 1 cycle, since 60 is not evenly divisible by 24. So usually every 3rd frame stays on screen half as long as the others. With a 120Hz refresh rate, this is not a problem as every frame stays on screen for exactly 5 cycles.

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    compression ratio
    Contrast ratio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonecrd View Post
    Always go with what looks better to you but realize that in most stores the displays are set in store mode which greatly increases the sharpness and contrast to make the picture look good in a brightly lit space. Good black levels and high contrast will make more of difference than resolution on a 37". To make things really look good you can get a calibration disk and adjust your setting or even spend bigger bucks on a professional calibration. If you think cycling has a lot of swag and expense getting into home theater really sucks you in. Next you need a new audio system, dedicated subwoofers........
    +1

    The more you read about this stuff, the more complicated it becomes, the harder it becomes to make a decision, and the more money you end up spending.

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    Oh and the last bit of advice ignore anyone working at Best Buy Circuit City etc, they have no idea what they are talking about do your own research and start at www.avsforum.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonecrd View Post
    Oh and the last bit of advice ignore anyone working at Best Buy Circuit City etc, they have no idea what they are talking about do your own research and start at www.avsforum.com
    +1000000000000.....

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    Yes, contrast ratio.

    My bad, i was thinking of car stuff while i posted.

    Currently editing original post.!

    Thanks!
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    http://www.practical-home-theater-gu...ast-ratio.html

    If you have lights on, chances are you won't notice the contrast ratio anyway. People are suckers for big numbers. Go with 1080p. I am waiting until next year when digital become mandatory. Prices should drop fast.

    I would have thought response time would be important, but manufactures make up these numbers as well.
    http://www.practical-home-theater-gu...onse-time.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipy911 View Post
    http://www.practical-home-theater-gu...ast-ratio.html

    If you have lights on, chances are you won't notice the contrast ratio anyway. People are suckers for big numbers. Go with 1080p. I am waiting until next year when digital become mandatory. Prices should drop fast.

    I would have thought response time would be important, but manufactures make up these numbers as well.
    http://www.practical-home-theater-gu...onse-time.html
    Not sure if that was in response to my post, but response time is not the same thing as refresh rate. Refresh rate, I believe, is an industry standard measure and is an objective number. Response time, as the article you linked points out, depends greatly on how it's measured.

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    At 37" I would ditch LCD and go plasma, 1080p. The Panasonic Viera rocks, and they just released the new series PX37 something or other D. Last year's version (which I got after much research) topped all the reviews. The picture is stunning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseysbest View Post
    Is it worth going for the 1080 LCD TVs in the 37" size? Can you tell the difference between the two?
    No!

    I can't believe you people are all accepting the 37" part of his question. I say go minimum 50", 1080p. Sure you get used to the size of the screen, but as soon as you go to a friend's house and enjoy an HD movie on his 50" screen, you will suddenly feel inadequate and have the urge to upgrade. So skip the "beginner TV" and go straight to what you really want!

    Full disclosure: All I have is a Sony 13" tube TV. I'm basing my opinion on my friend's awesome 50" plasma.

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    Plasma's on its way out... don't get stuck with obsolete technology...

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    42? puullllease...

    103" please..


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    Well, the person who was buying the TV ended up getting a Samsung 42" Plasma 720p for $899 (they had a over $700 worth of gift cards for Best Buy) http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1202650190227

    We looked at every TV there objectively, took into consideration they don't watch that much TV and from the distance the TV will be viewed at and our nondiscerning eyes, 1080p would probably be a waste, and the price between the 37" and 40" TV and then the 42", the cost of the 42" Samsung 720p plasma seemed perfect.

    Bought the Samsung upconvert DVD player for $50 too, and had the thing set up and watched "Superbad" last night. Gotta say it looked great to me. The tv will probably eventually become a bedroom TV in the future when prices come down for the 1080p in a few years, but it will certainly suffice for now.
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    Good choice the Tv will be great for as long as you need it. Probably in the end LCD will win out and DLP is dead except for projectors. LCD prices are still pretty high when you look at anything >50" at 1080p. If you want to invest in Blu-ray the PS3 is probably the best/cheapest option even if you don't do gaming. It will be a while before standalone Blu-ray players fall below $200.
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    I know you already got a TV but here is just some info.

    I have a 57" Mitsubishi DLP. It is 1080p.

    now you have to look at what your cable company provides. Regular TV is 480i no matter what your TV is. My HD channels are 1080i. They look amazing but I only have maybe 20 - 30 channels in HD. Most shows I view in 480i.

    Just something to think of when you get a TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    I know you already got a TV but here is just some info.

    I have a 57" Mitsubishi DLP. It is 1080p.

    now you have to look at what your cable company provides. Regular TV is 480i no matter what your TV is. My HD channels are 1080i. They look amazing but I only have maybe 20 - 30 channels in HD. Most shows I view in 480i.

    Just something to think of when you get a TV.
    That was another point I made, I think there are maybe 20-30 channels in HD here, and maybe only a handful I actually watch.
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