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Old 06-26-08, 04:24 PM   #1
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Considering buying a new 3G Iphone July 11th... Thoughts?

I am considering getting the 3G Iphone when it comes out on July 11th. Anyone have any opinions either way or things I should know before I consider getting it?
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What about 3G interests you? I've been using a CrapBerry with Edge and the speed's not bad. But the browser sucks compared to the iPhone. About 80% of the sites I go doesn't render correctly. And scrolling around just to see the entire page really sucks too.
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I am considering getting the 3G Iphone when it comes out on July 11th. Anyone have any opinions either way or things I should know before I consider getting it?
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I've had the iPhone almost since it came out and it's a joy to use. I had a BB too and as Dannoxyz said the browser experience was so bad that I almost never used it. I use safari all the time, as well as several other functions

Edit: not sure what cost Zorro's talking about. The 3G plan is supposed to be in line with other smart phones. Mine is 10.00 less/mth but I paid more upfront
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I can tell you this much from my previous experiences with 3G in the United States. I feel that it's largely a farce, and not nearly as impressive as what the Europeans and Asians claim to be getting nowadays. If it helps, I was using a Palm Treo 750 on AT&T, connected using UMTS or HSDPA.

The highest speeds I was able to attain were around 450 kbps. I once had a speed of 700 kbps, but with the amount of latency that the connection has, it didn't feel nearly as fast.

Of course, AT&T may have corrected this in preparation for the 3G iPhone (maybe that's why they delayed it for so long...), but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Then again, I am also biased against the iPhone (for now), so take that as you will.
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I've had the iPhone almost since it came out and it's a joy to use. I had a BB too and as Dannoxyz said the browser experience was so bad that I almost never used it. I use safari all the time, as well as several other functions

Edit: not sure what cost Zorro's talking about. The 3G plan is supposed to be in line with other smart phones. Mine is 10.00 less/mth but I paid more upfront
Agreed.

The experience you would get browsing the internet on the Blackberry was fully dependent on whether the North American Blackberry servers were having a good day or not, as it connects to them directly for internet access. Using Opera made it slightly better, but it was still crippled to the abundant lost and delayed connections I experienced (on T-Mobile).

I also didn't like the fact that the device was operational (for data) only if it had connection to these servers, which in turn required the use of the carrier's BB servers. I think you could use WAP on the T-Zones browser, but I'm unsure about this and it's not worth it IMHO. Furthermore, using it as a tethered modem was not only difficult, but horribly slow.

If it weren't for the super-efficient clickwheel and the excellent UI (at most times) and stability, I would have dumped that phone a while ago.
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3G supposedly blows Edge away. We'll see how it works in the real world soon enough.
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I don't think it did, along with many others that tested it during the time.

The Treo 750 was the first smartphone with HSDPA (3G) support. I got it a few months after it was released, if that adds to anything. I believe the first phone with it was a Nokia, also offered by AT&T.

Then again, Apple usually has a trick up their sleeve for stuff like this. I will wait for the Boy Genius Report.
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3G supposedly blows Edge away. We'll see how it works in the real world soon enough.
It's probably going to be be like GSM. The phones were available for years, but the infrastructure simply wasn't there in the U.S. California finally had comprehensive GSM coverage 6-years after the Europeans. By that point, the Europeans and Asians had moved on to better and faster standards. By the time 3G has sufficient speed and coverage here, it'll be obsolete.
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The US is just pathetic when it comes to cell phones. Its been over a year now, and there hasn't been anything that is real competition to the iPhone out in the US. I wish Sprint and T-mobile would wipe the deer-in-the-headlights look off their face caused by the iPhone and actually get some phones that are actual competition. Just look at the phones sold in Europe or Japan, which are about 5-10 years ahead of anything here.

I'm not sure if its due to the laziness of cellular providers to actually sell decent models here, or the "I just want a phone that can make and receive calls" that Joe Sixpack whines about in the US.

Apple has thrown the gauntlet down -- $299 gets a person a high end phone. Nothing even compares that T-Mobile and Verizon offer. Sprint can compete with their Mogul, and AT&T, ironically has a great smartphone selection. I like T-Mobile as a carrier, but if they can't start selling a decent Windows Mobile PDA, I might either buy an unlocked phone from overseas, or just consider something like an AT&T Tilt.
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The US is just pathetic when it comes to cell phones. Its been over a year now, and there hasn't been anything that is real competition to the iPhone out in the US. I wish Sprint and T-mobile would wipe the deer-in-the-headlights look off their face caused by the iPhone and actually get some phones that are actual competition. Just look at the phones sold in Europe or Japan, which are about 5-10 years ahead of anything here.

I'm not sure if its due to the laziness of cellular providers to actually sell decent models here, or the "I just want a phone that can make and receive calls" that Joe Sixpack whines about in the US.

Apple has thrown the gauntlet down -- $299 gets a person a high end phone. Nothing even compares that T-Mobile and Verizon offer. Sprint can compete with their Mogul, and AT&T, ironically has a great smartphone selection. I like T-Mobile as a carrier, but if they can't start selling a decent Windows Mobile PDA, I might either buy an unlocked phone from overseas, or just consider something like an AT&T Tilt.
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Timmy, I think I agree with him (on most of his points).

On the data front, Europe had mobile internet before the United States had even brought it to the drawing board (Proprietary system introduced in 1996). Furthermore, the United States had largely been stuck on GPRS/EDGE, while Europe and Asia have long since had video telecommunication, mobile TV and mobile broadband available. NTT DoCoMo used in Japan is probably the most technologically advanced cellular data system in the world right now, though it's use is only localized to that country.

I think one of the reasons why the US has held back on moving forward in this sector is because they have been trying to deploy the hardware and services in a way that is economical to most of its target audience. From what I understand, having a data and voice plan in Europe is very expensive, and has been since its inception. On the other hand, I am currently enjoying unlimited EDGE service (which will probably support 3G upon deployment) with Wireless Hotspot access for $20/month on T-Mobile. While this is all good for the customer, I would think that to implement something like this is a huge undertaking and involves a lot of creativity and research.

Where the replier is wrong, like many at the moment, is that the iPhone is not $299 by itself. While the phone is heavily advertised as being at that price, it requires a two-year AT&T data and voice contract at the point of purchase. As far as I'm aware, this is the first phone that cannot easily be purchased without any contractual obligation, which is the reason why Apple can market the phone at that price without committing false advertising.

Just my 0.013 euros.
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Agreed.

The experience you would get browsing the internet on the Blackberry was fully dependent on whether the North American Blackberry servers were having a good day or not, as it connects to them directly for internet access. Using Opera made it slightly better, but it was still crippled to the abundant lost and delayed connections I experienced (on T-Mobile).
Doesn't apply in this case, but as an fyi, that depends on whether you have a bis/bes server or are connecting through your provider. If you are working for a company with a bes, your browsing experience is controlled by the gateway of the server itself. Nothing to do with RIM

I use the opera plugin for it, its adequate. I don't enjoy the browsing experience on any mobile device. Most websties aren't made for it and its just too damn small. I use it in a pinch, but thats about it.

Obviously, the authentication still goes through rim, but not the browsing itself. So if rim is down, so is any bb.

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Timmy, I think I agree with him (on most of his points).

On the data front, Europe had mobile internet before the United States had even brought it to the drawing board (Proprietary system introduced in 1996). Furthermore, the United States had largely been stuck on GPRS/EDGE, while Europe and Asia have long since had video telecommunication, mobile TV and mobile broadband available. NTT DoCoMo used in Japan is probably the most technologically advanced cellular data system in the world right now, though it's use is only localized to that country.

I think one of the reasons why the US has held back on moving forward in this sector is because they have been trying to deploy the hardware and services in a way that is economical to most of its target audience. From what I understand, having a data and voice plan in Europe is very expensive, and has been since its inception. On the other hand, I am currently enjoying unlimited EDGE service (which will probably support 3G upon deployment) with Wireless Hotspot access for $20/month on T-Mobile. While this is all good for the customer, I would think that to implement something like this is a huge undertaking and involves a lot of creativity and research.

Where the replier is wrong, like many at the moment, is that the iPhone is not $299 by itself. While the phone is heavily advertised as being at that price, it requires a two-year AT&T data and voice contract at the point of purchase. As far as I'm aware, this is the first phone that cannot easily be purchased without any contractual obligation, which is the reason why Apple can market the phone at that price without committing false advertising.

Just my 0.013 euros.
Agreed 100%. You should see the devices the japanese and euro kids bring over. Freaking awesome. Canada is always a year behind the states and the states is about a 2 to 4 years behind europe and japan. Not to mention our data plan pricing (which is crippling in a lot of cases) and limitations with the network some of our glorious providers decided to use.

Up here, the iphone requires a 3 year gsm contract, only one company providing as well. It really locks you in. You can still buy it hacked (re: crap loads ohhhh cash) and then buy whatever plan you like. But in all cases, its expensive.

I forget who said it, but some exec in a wireless telco company in the states said something smart...(heck it might have been jobs)..."america is so far behind, not because of the data plans themselves, but because the phones are too expensive. We see a 600$-1000$ phone and crap ourselves wanting it to be 0$ on a 3 year plan, in asia, they drop that once a year to replace the "old" phone with the new"

If thats remotely true, then we can't hold our providers entirely responsible. I know my bosses want the cheapest best possible. This usually means 3 or 4 generations back.

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Doesn't apply in this case, but as an fyi, that depends on whether you have a bis/bes server or are connecting through your provider. If you are working for a company with a bes, your browsing experience is controlled by the gateway of the server itself. Nothing to do with RIM

I use the opera plugin for it, its adequate. I don't enjoy the browsing experience on any mobile device. Most websties aren't made for it and its just too damn small. I use it in a pinch, but thats about it.

Obviously, the authentication still goes through rim, but not the browsing itself. So if rim is down, so is any bb.
Thanks for correcting me. I had thought that it was controlled using RIM's gateways regardless of whether you had BIS or BES. I can tell you that I was on a BES through a Hosted Exchange account, and it was usually down on the late nights. When I was dating a woman who also had a Blackberry, we tried to surf the web on our devices at the late night, and neither of ours worked. She was on a different BES.

I do have to give it to the iPhone, as it has probably the nicest browser implementation of any smartphone out there. Nokia's widescreen devices are a close second, but I don't really like Symbian all that much.
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It is a choice. "Most" IT people I know put them through their default gateway in house. That way you can control what they are viewing.

I also believe, and I could be wrong, its different between pcs and cdma devices. I only know that is does happen because my firewall was down at work and it was down for all of my bb users. I would have assumed what you said was true, but in my case, whoever originally set it up, did it through our work gateway
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I didn't see a reply to this, but the data is unlimited and the plan is $70/mo.
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I didn't see a reply to this, but the data is unlimited and the plan is $70/mo.
Only $20 a month for the POS that nextel gives me.
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Only $20 a month for the POS that nextel gives me.
The point is that there isn't a per-use data charge. $70 for unlimited data is a pretty good deal.
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It's all worth it when you go to the app store and download PhoneSaber, a small free app that uses the iPhone's accelerometer to sense motion and make lightsaber noises as you wave it around.

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This is old, but new to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYBFY98lWcU

The few apps I have downloaded have been really cool so far, even pandora works on my 1st gen without any issues. Off to download PhoneSaber now!
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