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Old 07-11-08, 05:07 PM   #1
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So here is a question: What would you do with the loot?

There are three guys.

Guy one owns a house. He wants to put new siding up on it. So he hires guy two to side his house. Guy two takes the job and in the process gets work for guy three to help him with the siding job.

Guy three owns a pickup truck while guy two has neither a car nor a license.

Guy two and three tear down the siding. It is aluminum.

Guy three is tasked with compacting the aluminum and throwing it into the back of his pickup truck. Making three trips, guy three loads and unloads 950 pounds of aluminum for a total lootness of $780.

How would you dish out/divide/give the money?

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Guy one owns the siding. But he needs it removed from his yard, this is part of doing the siding regardless of whether or not it's wood, vinyl, or aluminum.

Guy two was hired by guy one to side his house. Removal of the siding from the job site is part.

Guy two brought in guy three who cleaned up the aluminum and moved it in his truck.

Who gets the money? Does it all go to the owner? Does it get split between the three? Between a pair?
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Old 07-11-08, 05:23 PM   #2
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Guy one pays guy two. Guy two pays guy three.

Money from aluminium goes for kegger.
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Old 07-11-08, 06:57 PM   #3
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A lot of this depends on whether guy one or two knows that guy three is making money off the siding.

If neither of them do, guy three pockets the cash, shaking his head at the ignorance of others. In this case, guy three should suggest that guy two also pay for his truck gas for the day.

Assume guy two knows. There should have been an agreement before hand, splitting the proceeds. Did guy two figure the recycle money in on the deal or not? If not, it's a bonus! Split 50/50 and be happy. If he did figure it into the job, guy two gets the cash.

Assume guy one knows. He should have haggled over recycle rights before the deal, but once it's trucked off his land, bye-bye. If he makes a point about it before the job is done, guy two should offer to leave it there and hire out guy three as a subcontractor to haul it away. Suggested cost for this service? $780.
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Old 07-11-08, 07:29 PM   #5
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Have never seen an agreement on $$ back from scrap that goes back to the owner, including plumbing stuffs etc. Basically owner contracts/purchases person B to do the job. And if owner was UP on the situation - and knows about scrap value - then perhaps owner would bring this point up and incorporate this interest into the overall job.

Ex owned a plumbing company and he has had some people try and reduce some of the costs of his work due to potential $$ gained on removed copper, etc, including copper in a hot water heater, etc and my ex and his cronies just shook their head and said costs of a job were built from their labor cost to include the new part - not forgoing any recycle costs, etc. And if the person wanted the old hot water heater, fine. Most times people wanted the old stuff taken away.

Now back to project. Generally it's B who has contracted with A (owner) to do the job - and who hires C - the worker to help with B to do the job. And generally it's B who is able to enjoy the small benefits of hauling away stuff and paying C a $/hr wage to help him.

A pays, B hires and pays wages to C to help him do job. B looks at A and says YAY - I can take it away - and has C help him load truck. B then takes stuff to recycle and pockets $$.

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Of course this changes if contractor B and perhaps C are partners ...... then $$ from recycle would be shared .... depends on agreements ...


I will say that my ex who was "B" here (but without "C" as a partner who was a hired employee only) had several containers of recycle stuffs in the garage - copper, etc that did trade in for some good $$ when we needed it.
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Old 07-11-08, 08:25 PM   #6
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What if B frequently relies on C to get them there, let alone get the scrap to the recycle center. You say "Generally its B who is able to enjoy the benefits of recycling and C helps".

Ok, fine. But what if B couldn't ever recycle the stuff without C. Not just C helping, but C being a complete necessity to the operation. Then take it one step further, and C does the entire part of recycling the aluminum.
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This is a trick question. I won't want to get involved with this job.
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This is a trick question. I won't want to get involved with this job.
I know. Clearly (i think) I'm 3. We're all friends. Nothing has been decided yet. If i'm asked what i think, i honestly have no idea what to say.
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Understands now.

B&C are connected, especially with C providing vehicle time.


A pays for a job to be done; B&C do the job - manpower to tear off and replace - and tear-offs - well that's B&C - or B&C's own working agreement. "A" shouldn't figure into the scrap $$ - unless he figured into the contract some oddly connected item that he, the mighty owner, owns all pieces no matter how small that fall off his humble abode or rather that he, "A" should be more interested in having the area cleaned up.

B&C share.
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A should have hired C, however there is always a middle man/middle management.

Think of it this way, B hired C because C had the tools (truck) to do the job. Subcontractors do this all the time, they will take a job and hire a crew that is capable of doing the job. The subcontractor then a pays the crew what was agreed on. If you don't have an agreement I say B and C should just split 50/50.

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This is often a problem with friends working with or for each other. So let's take that part out of it. Strictly business.

A contracted B to do a job. If B hauling off the scrap is part of the job then A can't care what B does with it (unless it's hazardous material or something similar with liability issues).

B hired C as an employee. If the employee does anything on company time that makes money that money belongs to the company, or in this case B. As an example electricians, plumbers, HVAC techs, auto repair techs, etc., etc., etc. are required to have thier own tools and transportation. The money they make with those tools is the companies.

I agree a vehicle is somewhat different but in this case I still think that with no agreement in place beforehand that C can at best hope for a 50/50 split with B. And that's being gracious on Bs part. A gets zip.
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I don't think any of them should get all of it, FYI>
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