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    Visited the site of a sad event Saturday.

    On Father's Day, two kids went missing, and their father was considered a "person of interest" almost from the beginning. About a week later, their remains were found, where the father had burned them. I don't know if it has yet been determined whether he burned them alive, or killed them first. Wild and/or feral animals had scattered the remains, so search dogs were used, from a group with which my wife is affiliated, to seek more remains. It was good to see one of the SAR dogs, Mia, who stayed with us for one day; her brother, Pobear, still lives with us.

    I don't know if a place can be evil, in and of itself. The place seemed pleasant enough, for an industrial part of town. People had left various items as an impromptu shrine, near the road. At the burn site itself, over a railroad rack from the road, was a smaller shrine, one candle holder, a teddy bear, and some withered flowers. The earth and grass were a bit scorched, and a nearby tree had some low-hanging branches which had been scorched. While on-site, my only less-than-pleasant thoughts were trying to find a bit of shade, while not getting into any poison ivy. The humid heat was not pleasant, but hey, it is summer in coastal Texas. I don't know why I felt no particular emotion while there, and I wondered, after leaving, if I have become so callous that I can stand where two children were murdered and feel nothing unusual.

    Well, I guess I am not so callous, because it does bother me now. I suppose feeling nothing unusual while on the scene was just professional detachment, honed over 24+ years of wearing a badge. Now, I am having a hard time settling down to go to sleep, even though I have only slept about three hours in two days. I am still human. Life is good; it just sucks sometimes.
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    Having kids now, I don't think I could bring myself to visit such a place. I'm finding it hard to read fictional accounts of childrens deaths in books, let alone in real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex G View Post
    On Father's Day, two kids went missing, and their father was considered a "person of interest" almost from the beginning. About a week later, their remains were found, where the father had burned them. I don't know if it has yet been determined whether he burned them alive, or killed them first. Wild and/or feral animals had scattered the remains, so search dogs were used, from a group with which my wife is affiliated, to seek more remains. It was good to see one of the SAR dogs, Mia, who stayed with us for one day; her brother, Pobear, still lives with us.

    I don't know if a place can be evil, in and of itself. The place seemed pleasant enough, for an industrial part of town. People had left various items as an impromptu shrine, near the road. At the burn site itself, over a railroad rack from the road, was a smaller shrine, one candle holder, a teddy bear, and some withered flowers. The earth and grass were a bit scorched, and a nearby tree had some low-hanging branches which had been scorched. While on-site, my only less-than-pleasant thoughts were trying to find a bit of shade, while not getting into any poison ivy. The humid heat was not pleasant, but hey, it is summer in coastal Texas. I don't know why I felt no particular emotion while there, and I wondered, after leaving, if I have become so callous that I can stand where two children were murdered and feel nothing unusual.

    Well, I guess I am not so callous, because it does bother me now. I suppose feeling nothing unusual while on the scene was just professional detachment, honed over 24+ years of wearing a badge. Now, I am having a hard time settling down to go to sleep, even though I have only slept about three hours in two days. I am still human. Life is good; it just sucks sometimes.
    Most people in a profession that includeds death and destruction go thru this at one time or another, a person learns to "tune it out" and do the job. But after only seven years as a member of Phila Fire Dept I lost my position due to a bad injury, I thought I would be fine until the very first week of my "early retirement." Thats when all the evil that I saw caught up with me. Lack of sleep, and nightmares when I finally did get to sleep, Then depresion. Im glad its all over (I think) I figure it was just my humanity catching up with me. I think, depending on you ability to self heal, that youll be right as rain in no time.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    The Yogurt Shop murders (google it - I don't care to go into the details. Truly horrific) took place right around the corner from where I worked at the time. I went by the place a day or two after. I've never had a place affect me like that. I couldn't say a word and the air just felt heavy.
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    When I was a teenager, I visited Dachau in Germany and there was a palpable feeling of horror in the air. I can guarantee you that it affected me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex G View Post

    I don't know if a place can be evil, in and of itself.
    In and of them selves no but to those that know what happened in any given place then yes by all means places can be evil. I know this to be true as I ride by an evil place, a building, every day to work. A place where 30 people were butchered.

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    OK, I finally slept, and if there were bad dreams, I do not remember them. Perhaps typing the original post helped me get the anxiety out of my system a bit. Thanks for "listening."

    FWIW, the family name was St. Cyr, and this happened in Pasadena, Texas, in case anyone wanted to google it. I don't think it made much of a splash in the national news, probably because they were missing for a week before the horrendous truth was discovered, and kids being snatched away by a parent is just not a big story. The father stomping his baby to death in California to death received much more national attention, and happened near the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    When I was a teenager, I visited Dachau in Germany and there was a palpable feeling of horror in the air. I can guarantee you that it affected me...
    I want to do that, Tom. I think it's important to experience, especially for "my generation". Maybe the year I graduate.
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    I think Dachau and Auschwitz-Burkenau should be part of everyone's visit sometime. Mainly it helps make one realize what man can do to other men.

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    I visited Dachau in '97 on a bike tour with BFer MPH2. On the ride to it with 2 australians we met and had partied with, spirits were high, but the return trip to our camp in Munich was absolutely silent. The place touches you permanently.
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    A few years ago, when I was living in Poland, my (now) wife and I rented a car and drove to Krakow for some errands. On the way there, I began to feel something; it was if a palpable cloud of depression was hanging over the area.

    Then I saw the sign: Auschwitz.

    A place, given its historical context, can definitely be evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    When I was a teenager, I visited Dachau in Germany and there was a palpable feeling of horror in the air. I can guarantee you that it affected me...
    I also visited Dachau as a teen - and felt the same way.
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