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Old 07-13-08, 06:26 PM   #1
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New electric car, maybe out next year in the US

http://www.ecomodder.com/blog/2008/0...009-for-37500/

Hopefully coming late 2009 to the US for $37,496.
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Old 07-13-08, 06:44 PM   #2
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If gas makes it to 10 dollars a gallon, I'd still save money by getting 35-45 miles per gallon in a small car. That high of a price tag, coupled with the hideously bad look of that thing makes me laugh. With how nicely Mitsubishi makes Eclipses, I'd hope and expect a cooler car.

That's not to say that I don't like the idea of plug in cars, but come on, that thing is disgusting.
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Old 07-13-08, 06:47 PM   #3
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^^^ Same here, Mich.

My current car was $19K brand new. So, $18K less than the Mitsubishi.

At $10/gallon, that's 1800 gallons of gas. 1800*31(my current mpg)=55,800 miles. About 4 years of driving for me. And that's assuming the electricity is free, which it's obviously not.
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If gas makes it to 10 dollars a gallon,
A) It won't.

B) If it does it may be the one thing that finally gets the US off its addiction to foreign oil.
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+1 on the disgusting look. I agree with that. They should have copied the Tesla, not Herbie when it came to looks. I still cannot understand why alternative fuel cars have to be so ugly.

However, anything that isn't fuel based, has enough range for daily driving, and affordable is a nice step in the right direction. There are few alternatives to gasoline or diesel in the US (well, except for bicycling, of course).
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funny how that thing looks like a TATA nano, and for 37k? WTF. i rather spend 25 and get a civic hybrid more room and leather

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Old 07-13-08, 07:55 PM   #7
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I don't care, I hate electric cars, I would rather get shot in the foot, but that is just the way I am, electric cars do more harm than good for the environment, the enviro is good at cleaning up pollution when it is spread out, not in one place, power plants don't move
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Old 07-13-08, 09:07 PM   #8
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You guys sound like you just NEED something to complain about. Its a good looking car,



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Old 07-13-08, 09:21 PM   #9
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I don't care, I hate electric cars, I would rather get shot in the foot, but that is just the way I am, electric cars do more harm than good for the environment, the enviro is good at cleaning up pollution when it is spread out, not in one place, power plants don't move
Electricity depends on the area. Here in Austin, almost all electricity is from wind or solar (with coal and nuclear tossed in the mix), so for every watt I move to the power grid is less carbon dioxide. However, you are absolutely right about other areas where the electricity coming in is mainly coal, its merely moving the pollution from the car's exhaust to the generation station.

I would consider arguing economies of scale, as bigger engines are more efficient than smaller ones, but because of the energy lost in the lines due to power transmission, this balances out.

If I were living somewhere where all the power was coming from coal, I'd not bother with an electric car. If I were living somewhere where the electric grid is fed by solar, nuclear, or wind, an electric car makes sense.
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You guys sound like you just NEED something to complain about. Its a good looking car,



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dude you ride a bicycle you think a rusty schwinn traveler is a good looking bike
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I don't think it matters where you live if you cover your roof with solar panels.
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Well, it is probably front wheel drive too, nothing good is front wheel drive, besides maybe the original TOronado, but that had a big V8.
With FWD, all the weight shifts off the driven wheels when you accelerate, therefore, a lot less traction.
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With FWD, all the weight shifts off the driven wheels when you accelerate, therefore, a lot less traction.
I take it you don't drive much in snow...
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Well, it is probably front wheel drive too, nothing good is front wheel drive, besides maybe the original TOronado, but that had a big V8.
With FWD, all the weight shifts off the driven wheels when you accelerate, therefore, a lot less traction.
As much as I love the old Toronado's, I don't like the gas mileage. The raw power is pretty nice though. Them things are savagely fast for that era.

I'm inclined to agree about fwd, but there is always the "Scandenavian flick".
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I drive as much in the snow as I can, truck is a bit squirrely sometimes, but FUN. My Eagle is a RWD BAse 4WD vehicle, I've only used it once, but then again, so many tiny things prevented me from driving her, so she hasn't been on the road much
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The real issue I'm seeing with any of these full electric cars is distance.

Most gasoline fueled cars can do 400+ miles on a tank, stop for 10 minutes, then do 400+ more. Repeat as necessary. 40 miles for the Volt? 100 miles for the iMiev? I can't even drive to the nearest WalMart and back with that little range.

Have any of the electric car manufacturers addressed the quick refueling and distance issue? If not, I can't see them replacing internal combustion or even hybrids in the near future.
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Looks like a future car should and is $7K less.
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With my $1k car I still win (2000 Hyundai Accent).
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My $1200 is better, 83 Eagle Wagon
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With my $1k car I still win (2000 Hyundai Accent).
I may make fun of cars, but in reality, there isn't any serious way to dis a vehicle that runs. Unless it has a spoiler more than five feet tall, and exhaust pipes that one can stuff watermelons into completely, still have room for gas flow out from the manifold, and even with all those mods, still sound like a Montgomery Ward's lawn mower.
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B) If it does it may be the one thing that finally gets the US off its addiction to foreign oil.
Heh, heh... we're more dependent on foreign-oil now than during the gas-crunch of the '70s.
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Looks like a future car should and is $7K less.
Totally buying one when it hits the DC area. 300mpg is worth a serious look.
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I'll let all the early adopters pay the big bucks and work out the bugs first.
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I wouldn't buy any of those cars. I want a SmartCar.
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I wouldn't buy any car unless it was less than $3000, preferably one that cost nothing to operate and makes me healthier.
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