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timmyquest 07-14-08 04:54 PM

SPSS for dummies...
 
So i'm looking for a job with the intention of working for a couple years while mommy lets me suckle at the teet that is her home (to hack away at some student loan debt before i go back to school). I'm finding, rather surprisingly, how many jobs my psychology degree is enabling me to be qualified for.

Many of them are research based. Primarily with internal research positions as well as marketing positions. For those of you who may be familiar with SPSS, i'm wondering if there are any crash course kind of books. I actually used the program rather frequently as a student, mostly for a project where we designed a study from the ground up, carried it out, and reported on it. I'm familiar with t-test's, ANOVA test's etc. and how to apply them all , but I'd like to feel more comfortable with it when i tell a prospective employer that i am familiar with it.

Do any of you know of any good reference books to maybe help out with that, or any suggestions that may help???

gbcb 07-14-08 06:30 PM

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...A240_SH20_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/SPSS-Dummies-C.../dp/0470113448

I've found the Dummies books to be pretty decent in general. Don't have experience with this one, though...

timmyquest 07-14-08 07:28 PM

I was thinking the other day that they (I?) should write "Dummies for Dummies". I honestly didn't look for that and i guess i'm not surprised that its there. The thing is, the three dummies books i've read were very basic. I suppose a trip to the book store is in order.

malpag3 07-15-08 08:28 AM

Honestly, the best way I learned SPSS was just by taking a course at my university. It was hands on, specific to my major, and horrendously expensive!

gbcb 07-15-08 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by timmyquest (Post 7060336)
I was thinking the other day that they (I?) should write "Dummies for Dummies". I honestly didn't look for that and i guess i'm not surprised that its there. The thing is, the three dummies books i've read were very basic. I suppose a trip to the book store is in order.

Hmm... Reading reviews of the book, it doesn't seem to be all that highly recommended. Try checking Amazon reviews for a more favourably reviewed one. As for missing the obvious, I'm very talented in that regard, so I'm not one to make any judgements ;)

c0urt 07-15-08 11:37 AM

years ago I across "the idiots guide to idiots guides"

FlowerBlossom 07-15-08 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmyquest (Post 7059515)
So i'm looking for a job with the intention of working for a couple years while mommy lets me suckle at the teet that is her home (to hack away at some student loan debt before i go back to school). I'm finding, rather surprisingly, how many jobs my psychology degree is enabling me to be qualified for.

Many of them are research based. Primarily with internal research positions as well as marketing positions. For those of you who may be familiar with SPSS, i'm wondering if there are any crash course kind of books. I actually used the program rather frequently as a student, mostly for a project where we designed a study from the ground up, carried it out, and reported on it. I'm familiar with t-test's, ANOVA test's etc. and how to apply them all , but I'd like to feel more comfortable with it when i tell a prospective employer that i am familiar with it.

Do any of you know of any good reference books to maybe help out with that, or any suggestions that may help???

Oh dear. You're kidding, right? You're going to use "SPSS for Dummies" as a rationale for telling a prospective employer that you are familiar with something you truly aren't familiar with?

Thanks for the post. I'll be sure to ask for specific experience you've had actually using SPSS. Trust me, it better be more than "SPSS for Dummies". And, I'll want documentation, including code that generated your work.

banerjek 07-15-08 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FlowerBlossom (Post 7068859)
Oh dear. You're kidding, right? You're going to use "SPSS for Dummies" as a rationale for telling a prospective employer that you are familiar with something you truly aren't familiar with?

Cut the dude some slack -- it is common on resumes for people to claim proficiency with things that they really only have casual contact with.

Timmy: this is just me talking, but I've been involved in a lot of hires. When I see people listing piddly utilities, programs, and skills that I should be able to take for granted or which can be easily picked up, I presume the candidate lacks substance.

The skill is understanding statistics, not using a package. I cannot tell you how many supposedly academic articles I've reviewed where someone with no understanding of statistics used some package to generate fancy tables and graphics to "prove" something.

The strongest candidates often claim to know nothing. The funny thing is that they're not just being modest -- they're aware of how much is out there that they don't know, but they don't let this intimidate or embarrass them.

timmyquest 07-16-08 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FlowerBlossom (Post 7068859)
Oh dear. You're kidding, right? You're going to use "SPSS for Dummies" as a rationale for telling a prospective employer that you are familiar with something you truly aren't familiar with?

Thanks for the post. I'll be sure to ask for specific experience you've had actually using SPSS. Trust me, it better be more than "SPSS for Dummies". And, I'll want documentation, including code that generated your work.


It must suck to have a brain that can't re-learn things quickly, huh? Why don't you re-read the post instead of acting like a jackass. I used SPSS for two years as a student of psychology. Would you like to read the reports i wrote based on the data i ran through SPSS? Check that, i don't have time for choads.

As mentioned above, knowing SPSS is less about knowing how to use SPSS and more about knowing WTF it's doing...

I'm merely looking for a quick reference guide. Some people enjoy expanding upon what they know, especially when it comes to relevant topics in their life. There is no thing such as "SPSS 101" and the likely only people to have more experience with than me as a student is someone who has a statistics degree or has a masters in something relevant. If that's what a prospective employer wants, than they will ask for it. In the meantime, i'm perfectly qualified for what these employers are asking but i have no issue being more than qualified.

Little Darwin 07-16-08 07:56 AM

I would suspect that I have roughly the same exposure to SPSS as the OP, and that would be enough for me to say that it is enough to put on a resume. I used it in the last of my 4 Probabilities and Statistics courses (the one focused on application).

Pt it on the resume, and if you are asked to explain in an interview, just be honest that your experience is academic.

If you want more experience, then get a copy of the academic version (if you are still eligible or can fake it) and poke around on your own, you will probably learn as much as in any "Dummies" style book. Use it to go through and validate the results, or dig deeper into the case studies in your Statistics text books. I think that this will give you more real knowledge than any Dummies style book.

malpag3 07-16-08 09:55 AM

Yowza. Yeah, seriously just put it on there.

The OP has a great point, and to add to that, SPSS can be such a complicated program and can do so much more if you read up.

Just be honest for sure. Since you used it for a while, even though you might not think that you were an advanced user, you are still not going to waste an employers money in training you on basic SPSS.

timmyquest 07-16-08 10:30 AM

Re: last two posts

That's kind of how i feel. I already have a copy on my laptop and would just like a reference to have at my hands if i do land a job.

FlowerBlossom 07-16-08 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmyquest (Post 7069641)
It must suck to have a brain that can't re-learn things quickly, huh? Why don't you re-read the post instead of acting like a jackass. I used SPSS for two years as a student of psychology. Would you like to read the reports i wrote based on the data i ran through SPSS? Check that, i don't have time for choads.

As mentioned above, knowing SPSS is less about knowing how to use SPSS and more about knowing WTF it's doing...

I'm merely looking for a quick reference guide. Some people enjoy expanding upon what they know, especially when it comes to relevant topics in their life. There is no thing such as "SPSS 101" and the likely only people to have more experience with than me as a student is someone who has a statistics degree or has a masters in something relevant. If that's what a prospective employer wants, than they will ask for it. In the meantime, i'm perfectly qualified for what these employers are asking but i have no issue being more than qualified.

Attempting to insult me to make a point is not the BF approved method.

I understood completely, I stand by what I said. Because, most people pad their resume. We all know that. For that reason, I'm going to want proof. You claim your qualified, I'm going to ask for proof. "SPSS for Dummies" is not legitimate, I don't care what you plan to use it for--reference or anything else. Take this as a hint, o-person-with-degree-in-psych.

BTW, you're welcome. You could have taken this bit of advice as some bit of advice when going to interviews. But, no, no, no, you couldn't do that. You have SPSS experience and a degree in psych.
What the heck else, other than mommy's teet, would you need?

BTW, there are tons of people who have more experience than you in statistics, with better research and statistical analysis experience than what you get in psychology, before they enter grad school. You simply haven't met them.

Good luck!

timmyquest 07-16-08 05:18 PM

I don't need some jagoff on bikeforum.net asking me for proof about my SPSS usage and knowledge.

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Originally Posted by FlowerBlossom (Post 7072145)

BTW, there are tons of people who have more experience than you in statistics, with better research and statistical analysis experience than what you get in psychology, before they enter grad school. You simply haven't met them.

Good luck!

There you go again, assuming things. Get a life dude...

And FWIW, the proof is not in the degree, and i don't care enough to show you what i've done in statistics and SPSS, suffice to say i was in the top of that class...

erzherzog 09-24-08 05:18 PM

an SPSS reference book
 
Hello Timmy,

being a psychologist, you really should have learned already that the world is full of sons of 'theirmothers' who simply feed on draging people down... no more on that!

A book that helped me learn the how-tos in spss was "SPSS made simple" by Kinnear & Gray. I most warmly recommend it. Another good one is "Discovering statistics using SPSS" by Field. I ordered it via an Amazon-like service, and I'm waiting for it to arrive, but I saw that it's downloadable via torrent... The reviews are charming and it is recomended by some of the stat authorities.

I just graduated from MedSchool and I want to be a psychiatrist. I did a lot of research in the past couple of years and, imho, quite good-ones. I was, though, a complete ignoramus on SPSS a year a half ago, I did all the analyses in Excel (and wha-da-hellz-ANOVA?!) but the first title realy got me enlightened. Now I'm all crazy about statistics.

Good luck in your career!!

erzherzog 09-24-08 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by erzherzog (Post 7537144)
Hello Timmy,

...that the world is full of sons of 'theirmothers' who simply feed on draging people down...


Good luck in your career!!

Oh, and sorry for missing the obvious, too. I ment to say "sons of b1tches and/or b1tches themselves"... or the other way around, whichever is less 'politically incorrect'...

ehidle 09-24-08 06:58 PM

Wow... nothing about SPSS happens quickly. It's very powerful, but doesn't rank so high in the user-friendliness department.

I have to qualify my statement by saying I haven't used it in YEARS.

oldpsycho 02-24-13 12:40 PM

fastest cheapest SPSS crash course
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ehidle (Post 7537857)
Wow... nothing about SPSS happens quickly. It's very powerful, but doesn't rank so high in the user-friendliness department.

I have to qualify my statement by saying I haven't used it in YEARS.

Actually, there is a cheap fast crash course, a book by Cole Davis called SPSS Step By Step. Details are available on the author's web site: http://www.coledavis.org

cuda2k 02-24-13 02:53 PM

This is a very old thread, closing it so not to open a can of worms. :)


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