Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 19 of 19
  1. #1
    Banned. timmyquest's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Woodstock
    Posts
    5,761
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    SPSS for dummies...

    So i'm looking for a job with the intention of working for a couple years while mommy lets me suckle at the teet that is her home (to hack away at some student loan debt before i go back to school). I'm finding, rather surprisingly, how many jobs my psychology degree is enabling me to be qualified for.

    Many of them are research based. Primarily with internal research positions as well as marketing positions. For those of you who may be familiar with SPSS, i'm wondering if there are any crash course kind of books. I actually used the program rather frequently as a student, mostly for a project where we designed a study from the ground up, carried it out, and reported on it. I'm familiar with t-test's, ANOVA test's etc. and how to apply them all , but I'd like to feel more comfortable with it when i tell a prospective employer that i am familiar with it.

    Do any of you know of any good reference books to maybe help out with that, or any suggestions that may help???

  2. #2
    J3L 2404 gbcb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Shanghai
    My Bikes
    2007 Jamis Nova
    Posts
    1,075
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    http://www.amazon.com/SPSS-Dummies-C.../dp/0470113448

    I've found the Dummies books to be pretty decent in general. Don't have experience with this one, though...

  3. #3
    Banned. timmyquest's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Woodstock
    Posts
    5,761
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I was thinking the other day that they (I?) should write "Dummies for Dummies". I honestly didn't look for that and i guess i'm not surprised that its there. The thing is, the three dummies books i've read were very basic. I suppose a trip to the book store is in order.

  4. #4
    takin' it to the streets malpag3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Denv-arrrgghhh
    My Bikes
    1999 Kona Kapu; late 70's/early 80's Araya road bike/commuter bike.
    Posts
    1,093
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Honestly, the best way I learned SPSS was just by taking a course at my university. It was hands on, specific to my major, and horrendously expensive!
    "Any Movement That Forgets About Class Is a Bowel Movement" ~ 1-speed bike (AKA Bottleskup Flenkenkenmike AKA Aidan Girt)

  5. #5
    J3L 2404 gbcb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Shanghai
    My Bikes
    2007 Jamis Nova
    Posts
    1,075
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    I was thinking the other day that they (I?) should write "Dummies for Dummies". I honestly didn't look for that and i guess i'm not surprised that its there. The thing is, the three dummies books i've read were very basic. I suppose a trip to the book store is in order.
    Hmm... Reading reviews of the book, it doesn't seem to be all that highly recommended. Try checking Amazon reviews for a more favourably reviewed one. As for missing the obvious, I'm very talented in that regard, so I'm not one to make any judgements

  6. #6
    moving target c0urt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    birmingham, al
    My Bikes
    a masi speciale, and a kuota k-factor.
    Posts
    2,831
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    years ago I across "the idiots guide to idiots guides"
    how to tape your bars http://www.flickr.com/photos/89572419@N00/sets/72157629279270681/

  7. #7
    My tank takes chocolate. FlowerBlossom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Olympia, WA
    My Bikes
    Trek 600 series touring bike, Trek 800 hybrid, Bianchi
    Posts
    6,344
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    So i'm looking for a job with the intention of working for a couple years while mommy lets me suckle at the teet that is her home (to hack away at some student loan debt before i go back to school). I'm finding, rather surprisingly, how many jobs my psychology degree is enabling me to be qualified for.

    Many of them are research based. Primarily with internal research positions as well as marketing positions. For those of you who may be familiar with SPSS, i'm wondering if there are any crash course kind of books. I actually used the program rather frequently as a student, mostly for a project where we designed a study from the ground up, carried it out, and reported on it. I'm familiar with t-test's, ANOVA test's etc. and how to apply them all , but I'd like to feel more comfortable with it when i tell a prospective employer that i am familiar with it.

    Do any of you know of any good reference books to maybe help out with that, or any suggestions that may help???
    Oh dear. You're kidding, right? You're going to use "SPSS for Dummies" as a rationale for telling a prospective employer that you are familiar with something you truly aren't familiar with?

    Thanks for the post. I'll be sure to ask for specific experience you've had actually using SPSS. Trust me, it better be more than "SPSS for Dummies". And, I'll want documentation, including code that generated your work.
    Feminism is the profound notion that women are human beings.

  8. #8
    Portland Fred banerjek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    My Bikes
    Custom Winter, Challenge Seiran SL, Fuji Team Pro, Cattrike Road/Velokit, РOS hybrid
    Posts
    10,645
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerBlossom View Post
    Oh dear. You're kidding, right? You're going to use "SPSS for Dummies" as a rationale for telling a prospective employer that you are familiar with something you truly aren't familiar with?
    Cut the dude some slack -- it is common on resumes for people to claim proficiency with things that they really only have casual contact with.

    Timmy: this is just me talking, but I've been involved in a lot of hires. When I see people listing piddly utilities, programs, and skills that I should be able to take for granted or which can be easily picked up, I presume the candidate lacks substance.

    The skill is understanding statistics, not using a package. I cannot tell you how many supposedly academic articles I've reviewed where someone with no understanding of statistics used some package to generate fancy tables and graphics to "prove" something.

    The strongest candidates often claim to know nothing. The funny thing is that they're not just being modest -- they're aware of how much is out there that they don't know, but they don't let this intimidate or embarrass them.

  9. #9
    Banned. timmyquest's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Woodstock
    Posts
    5,761
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerBlossom View Post
    Oh dear. You're kidding, right? You're going to use "SPSS for Dummies" as a rationale for telling a prospective employer that you are familiar with something you truly aren't familiar with?

    Thanks for the post. I'll be sure to ask for specific experience you've had actually using SPSS. Trust me, it better be more than "SPSS for Dummies". And, I'll want documentation, including code that generated your work.

    It must suck to have a brain that can't re-learn things quickly, huh? Why don't you re-read the post instead of acting like a jackass. I used SPSS for two years as a student of psychology. Would you like to read the reports i wrote based on the data i ran through SPSS? Check that, i don't have time for choads.

    As mentioned above, knowing SPSS is less about knowing how to use SPSS and more about knowing WTF it's doing...

    I'm merely looking for a quick reference guide. Some people enjoy expanding upon what they know, especially when it comes to relevant topics in their life. There is no thing such as "SPSS 101" and the likely only people to have more experience with than me as a student is someone who has a statistics degree or has a masters in something relevant. If that's what a prospective employer wants, than they will ask for it. In the meantime, i'm perfectly qualified for what these employers are asking but i have no issue being more than qualified.
    Last edited by timmyquest; 07-16-08 at 07:30 AM.

  10. #10
    The Improbable Bulk Little Darwin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Wilkes-Barre, PA
    My Bikes
    Many
    Posts
    7,491
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I would suspect that I have roughly the same exposure to SPSS as the OP, and that would be enough for me to say that it is enough to put on a resume. I used it in the last of my 4 Probabilities and Statistics courses (the one focused on application).

    Pt it on the resume, and if you are asked to explain in an interview, just be honest that your experience is academic.

    If you want more experience, then get a copy of the academic version (if you are still eligible or can fake it) and poke around on your own, you will probably learn as much as in any "Dummies" style book. Use it to go through and validate the results, or dig deeper into the case studies in your Statistics text books. I think that this will give you more real knowledge than any Dummies style book.
    Slow Ride Cyclists of NEPA

    People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character.
    - Ralph Waldo Emerson

  11. #11
    takin' it to the streets malpag3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Denv-arrrgghhh
    My Bikes
    1999 Kona Kapu; late 70's/early 80's Araya road bike/commuter bike.
    Posts
    1,093
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yowza. Yeah, seriously just put it on there.

    The OP has a great point, and to add to that, SPSS can be such a complicated program and can do so much more if you read up.

    Just be honest for sure. Since you used it for a while, even though you might not think that you were an advanced user, you are still not going to waste an employers money in training you on basic SPSS.
    "Any Movement That Forgets About Class Is a Bowel Movement" ~ 1-speed bike (AKA Bottleskup Flenkenkenmike AKA Aidan Girt)

  12. #12
    Banned. timmyquest's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Woodstock
    Posts
    5,761
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Re: last two posts

    That's kind of how i feel. I already have a copy on my laptop and would just like a reference to have at my hands if i do land a job.

  13. #13
    My tank takes chocolate. FlowerBlossom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Olympia, WA
    My Bikes
    Trek 600 series touring bike, Trek 800 hybrid, Bianchi
    Posts
    6,344
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    It must suck to have a brain that can't re-learn things quickly, huh? Why don't you re-read the post instead of acting like a jackass. I used SPSS for two years as a student of psychology. Would you like to read the reports i wrote based on the data i ran through SPSS? Check that, i don't have time for choads.

    As mentioned above, knowing SPSS is less about knowing how to use SPSS and more about knowing WTF it's doing...

    I'm merely looking for a quick reference guide. Some people enjoy expanding upon what they know, especially when it comes to relevant topics in their life. There is no thing such as "SPSS 101" and the likely only people to have more experience with than me as a student is someone who has a statistics degree or has a masters in something relevant. If that's what a prospective employer wants, than they will ask for it. In the meantime, i'm perfectly qualified for what these employers are asking but i have no issue being more than qualified.
    Attempting to insult me to make a point is not the BF approved method.

    I understood completely, I stand by what I said. Because, most people pad their resume. We all know that. For that reason, I'm going to want proof. You claim your qualified, I'm going to ask for proof. "SPSS for Dummies" is not legitimate, I don't care what you plan to use it for--reference or anything else. Take this as a hint, o-person-with-degree-in-psych.

    BTW, you're welcome. You could have taken this bit of advice as some bit of advice when going to interviews. But, no, no, no, you couldn't do that. You have SPSS experience and a degree in psych.
    What the heck else, other than mommy's teet, would you need?

    BTW, there are tons of people who have more experience than you in statistics, with better research and statistical analysis experience than what you get in psychology, before they enter grad school. You simply haven't met them.

    Good luck!
    Feminism is the profound notion that women are human beings.

  14. #14
    Banned. timmyquest's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Woodstock
    Posts
    5,761
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I don't need some jagoff on bikeforum.net asking me for proof about my SPSS usage and knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerBlossom View Post

    BTW, there are tons of people who have more experience than you in statistics, with better research and statistical analysis experience than what you get in psychology, before they enter grad school. You simply haven't met them.

    Good luck!
    There you go again, assuming things. Get a life dude...

    And FWIW, the proof is not in the degree, and i don't care enough to show you what i've done in statistics and SPSS, suffice to say i was in the top of that class...
    Last edited by timmyquest; 07-16-08 at 06:23 PM.

  15. #15
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    an SPSS reference book

    Hello Timmy,

    being a psychologist, you really should have learned already that the world is full of sons of 'theirmothers' who simply feed on draging people down... no more on that!

    A book that helped me learn the how-tos in spss was "SPSS made simple" by Kinnear & Gray. I most warmly recommend it. Another good one is "Discovering statistics using SPSS" by Field. I ordered it via an Amazon-like service, and I'm waiting for it to arrive, but I saw that it's downloadable via torrent... The reviews are charming and it is recomended by some of the stat authorities.

    I just graduated from MedSchool and I want to be a psychiatrist. I did a lot of research in the past couple of years and, imho, quite good-ones. I was, though, a complete ignoramus on SPSS a year a half ago, I did all the analyses in Excel (and wha-da-hellz-ANOVA?!) but the first title realy got me enlightened. Now I'm all crazy about statistics.

    Good luck in your career!!
    Last edited by erzherzog; 09-24-08 at 06:26 PM.

  16. #16
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by erzherzog View Post
    Hello Timmy,

    ...that the world is full of sons of 'theirmothers' who simply feed on draging people down...


    Good luck in your career!!
    Oh, and sorry for missing the obvious, too. I ment to say "sons of b1tches and/or b1tches themselves"... or the other way around, whichever is less 'politically incorrect'...

  17. #17
    T-Shirt Guy ehidle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Lansdale, PA
    My Bikes
    2005 Fuji Team Issue, 2007 Fuji SL-1
    Posts
    464
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Wow... nothing about SPSS happens quickly. It's very powerful, but doesn't rank so high in the user-friendliness department.

    I have to qualify my statement by saying I haven't used it in YEARS.
    Yellow + Blue Jerseys!

    Get your Cranky T-Shirt!
    Men's
    and Women's designs available

  18. #18
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    fastest cheapest SPSS crash course

    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    Wow... nothing about SPSS happens quickly. It's very powerful, but doesn't rank so high in the user-friendliness department.

    I have to qualify my statement by saying I haven't used it in YEARS.
    Actually, there is a cheap fast crash course, a book by Cole Davis called SPSS Step By Step. Details are available on the author's web site: http://www.coledavis.org

  19. #19
    Unique Vintage Steel cuda2k's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Allen, TX
    My Bikes
    Kirk Frameworks JKS-C, Serotta Nova, Gazelle AB-Frame, Fuji Team Issue, Schwinn Crosscut, All-City Space Horse
    Posts
    11,487
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This is a very old thread, closing it so not to open a can of worms.
    [CENTER][URL="http://VeloBase.com"][IMG]http://velobase.com/App_Themes/VeloBase2_blue/Images/VeloBase2TitleCampagnolo.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/CENTER]
    [CENTER][URL="http://JonPFischer.com"][COLOR="#006400"]Fischer Photography[/COLOR][/URL] - [URL="http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/785462-My-new-modern-quot-Classic-quot-Kirk-JKS-Classic-Terraplane"][COLOR="#8b0000"]Kirk Frameworks JKS-Classic Build Thread[/COLOR][/URL][/CENTER]

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •