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Old 07-15-08, 08:28 AM   #26
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I would have been ecstatic to be making 40K right out of college (I started out at 28K, back in 2001).
That's so sad -- even public school teachers get more than that.
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Old 07-15-08, 08:29 AM   #27
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That's so sad -- even public school teachers get more than that.
That depends on the state, the subject, and perhaps even where in the state the teacher is at.
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Ya know, I graduated with an accredited Bachelor of Architecture degree; an accredited degree is 5 years. It is a "first professional" degree in the field, unaccredited degrees (non-professional) is 4 years. My first job (1997) in an architecture firm was hourly. I made a whopping $8.00/hour as a designer, no benefits at this small firm, unless I paid for half. Thankfully, I received medical, dental and vision through my spouse. In exchange for the small pay, I learned a lot about construction, consultants, administration, specifications, office functions, etc. I left that firm at a whopping $10.00/hr...that's right I was a full time hourly employee with zero benefits. In a sense I had a greater benefit working in that office than than just pay.

Having said that, I moved from the private sector to the public sector. Doing the exact same work (actually less since I don't have to do on-site construction meetings, just submittal review, nor do I do bidding and negotiations), I was making significantly more and the benefits package is better than most - without the stress typical of the private sector.

My point is this. There are other tangible benefits besides salary and medical/dental/vision/401K/457... My first job didn't pay what I wanted but then again, I didn't know much about the profession. Now I know more and I have a value and expertise that I can bring to another office should I decide to leave...not likely.
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There are some 4 year B.S. healthcare degrees that pay extremely well. Then again, that means moar skool...
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i got debts. what i want are time and money.
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That depends on the state, the subject, and perhaps even where in the state the teacher is at.
A majority of states are at 30K or above. True, some are lower than 28K, but not many. And, completing the masters degree during nights and the first two summers automatically puts the 23-24 year old at a higher pay.

See: http://www.nea.org/student-program/a...te.html#alaska

And, without a doubt, teachers are underpaid and schools have difficulty attracting those with skills.


Its sad if you cannot find a job at or above 28K.
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Old 07-15-08, 08:53 AM   #34
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How about a BS in computer sci? This something low or high? I check different sites, and it so varies on what lucky words you type in.
I can't speak for the US but in Canada I got $40,000 entry level after graduating with a BSc in Computer Science in 2003. I now make $60,000 with an excellent benefits package. The economy is booming here, you should come visit.
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when coming out of school with a bachelors of art?
Not if you work for State or Federal govt.
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Ms. MillCreek is in her early 50's, has been teaching at the elementary level for about 16 years and earned her National Boards two years ago. Her current salary is in the low 70's along with a benefit package. In her district, starting pay for new teachers right out of school is in the low 40's.

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That's so sad -- even public school teachers get more than that.
You'll be happy to know that I make about twice that now In just seven years, I don't think that's too bad.
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Recent BFA in Fine Arts (emphasis multimedia design) graduate, here ('06)... what was your concentration?

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is it absurd to want $40,000 a year plus healthcare? when coming out of school with a bachelors of art?
that is exactly the ballpark I started in plus a few other added benefits and a great work/life balance, which is very important to me. Its a small company- I think that makes a difference considering they kind of pay you to keep you because there aren't opportunities for promotions


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so, what should i look for? what should i turn down? (i'm in texas)
don't know what texas offers for pay in comparison. But, can you get some stats from your college on what grads in your industry are pulling in?


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i got debts. what i want are time and money.
What you need to emphasize in the salary barganing process is:
1) responsibilities of the position and the dollar figure they are worth
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2) your skills and expertise and why you are worth it.

careful, careful... or it will look like you are just in it for them $$. Aren't we all? But sell yourself, your passion for the job, company, etc. SELL, sell sell.
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Old 07-15-08, 12:18 PM   #41
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Recent BFA in Fine Arts (emphasis multimedia design) graduate, here ('06)... what was your concentration?

that is exactly the ballpark I started in plus a few other added benefits and a great work/life balance, which is very important to me. Its a small company- I think that makes a difference considering they kind of pay you to keep you because there aren't opportunities for promotions



don't know what texas offers for pay in comparison. But, can you get some stats from your college on what grads in your industry are pulling in?



What you need to emphasize in the salary barganing process is:
1) responsibilities of the position and the dollar figure they are worth
in addition to
2) your skills and expertise and why you are worth it.

careful, careful... or it will look like you are just in it for them $$. Aren't we all? But sell yourself, your passion for the job, company, etc. SELL, sell sell.
the school said about $20,000 to $38,000 on average. that really didn't narrow things down much though. i've seen some government jobs with the military that would offer $70,000 if your lucky.

i'm into painting. right now i'm fiddling around with realism. i just started painting 11 months ago. i graduate in fall. i figure if i learn that i could paint just about any thing i'd want.

i don't know that i have any skills or expertise. i really hate most art and have given up reading about it. it's so tiresome and gets me no where it seems. most of it seems to be complete bull****. the rest is boring. so i wouldn't make a good curator or anything like that.

got any tips on jobs to look for?
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I really don't, because I'm not much of a fine artist myself.
Have you seen government and military jobs in your industry? If not, you can't really use them as a comparison. (Really, don't compare to them anyway)

To be honest, I'm not sure what kind of jobs you'd be finding as a studio major, or what they'd pay.
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I plugged in artist and Austin (I don't know what city you are in)

median base for an 'artist' - Develops, sketches, and/or prints creative ideas for a variety of mediums. Provides support for company advertising.
$46k

median base for a 'painter/illustrator' - Uses paint to create graphic material and lettering to be used for title, background, screen advertising...
$36k
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Old 07-15-08, 12:58 PM   #43
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when coming out of school with a bachelors of art?
Just drop the "heath care" part and youll get a job before you can say "I cant afford health care!"
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and cops and firefighters.
Yeah! We place our lives on the line EVERY DAY to help keep you guys safe! We should be making the big buck!
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Old 07-15-08, 01:01 PM   #45
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Yeah! We place our lives on the line EVERY DAY to help keep you guys safe! We should be making the big buck!
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Old 07-15-08, 01:02 PM   #46
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My first post-collegiate job back in February of 1999 was as a copywriter with a small ad agency. Started out at $18k, got bumped up to $20k at three months, and got bumped out of the company at six months. I knew ad agencies were notorious for odd stuff like that, but I really thought it would last at least a year. The advantage at that company was that the health insurance was 100% paid for by the company.

I've just always been a little bit irritated that even with having a good work ethic that I've never been able to break the $30k mark in the last ten years, but that seems symptomatic of this part of the country. That's part of why I'm getting my M.Ed. In TN, just about all of the counties have a starting salary of around $33k for a teacher with a masters. About two miles south in GA that goes up to about $35k, and GA teachers get better retirement benefits. I considered becoming a teacher back in my early undergrad days, but changed my mind. In retrospect, that was a bad decision.
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i haven't come across any job actually. i'm just asking.
Are you done with school or just starting to visualize it? If not done yet, find a company or government agency that you want to work for, and try it out. If done, take what you can get, and keep on looking for the best possible scenario.

The 40K thing really has to do with the career path you choose. You can make easily 40K or more managing a fast-food or pizza delivery store, but it's a lot of late hours. If you have some type of specialized skill, you might be able to work up fairly quickly while accepting a slightly above minimum wage job. ...But, generally, folks will not be walking out to greet you at graduation with 40G and a health plan.
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My first job outta school (1997) was 40k and back then it was all the healthcare you could eat, drink, sleep, and otherwise consume for nearly free. It was barely enough to make ends meet, even with very little student loan debt.
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I don't think Wal-Mart pays that kind of money.
I've got about 8 jobs i've recently applied to for a little less than that amount and with healthcare...
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