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Old 07-16-08, 07:50 AM   #1
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3G iPhone opinions

I am debating getting one of these. So whats the verdict? How is At&Ts 3G network? The GPRS one left a lot to be desired on the page load speeds. How about software problems, glitches?
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Overpriced iCrap just like everything else Apple makes, but apparently over paying for things is cool now a days.
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3G network coverage could be better.

Everything else is so much better than my Blackberry Pearl, it's not even funny. The interface is nice, but the OS is what really makes this thing a better phone. Also, the options & settings make sense and are easily discovered; the Pearl's menus & settings turned into an arcane pile of crap if you went too far.

I was talking with my parents last night, and they wanted to use their phone's speakerphone -- but they couldn't find out how to turn it on. On the iPhone, though, the speakerphone "button" was right there in front of me. If I spoke Korean, I can type Korean characters (same with... let's see... they've got every keyboard layout but Dvorak... I can even draw Chinese characters...).

I'll put it this way -- I haven't opened the manual, and I've figured everything out. If a four-year-old can use it (check Youtube for vids), then it's properly designed. I'm done wasting time figuring out the geeky tech BS of other devices.

Forget the "style" aspect -- there are plenty of hot-looking smartphones out there. If the iPhone wasn't this good, nobody would be using it.
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Overpriced iCrap just like everything else Apple makes, but apparently over paying for things is cool now a days.
And what from your experience with the iPhone leads you to that conclusion?

Also, at $199, it's competitively priced with the other GPS-enabled smartphones.
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Overpriced iCrap just like everything else Apple makes, but apparently over paying for things is cool now a days.
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I'd consider one, but I'm content with T-Mobile.

What I wished the iPhone would have done was to spur other cellphone operators in the US to offer more than just basic phones. However, a year later, T-Mobile's best is still the Wing, which is quite outdated.

Sprint offers the Samsung Instinct, which has a decent interface, if you are already a Sprint subscriber. However, even Verizon is doing away with their CDMA network and moving to GSM, so Sprint will be the only company using CDMA in a couple years. EV-DO is slower than 3G to boot.

I hope other cellphone operators can get with the times before they are made obsolete (think how Creative was moved to the fringes after the iPod was out a couple years). The days of selling a 200 mhz Windows Mobile phone for $500 are long gone.
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Not a 3G problem, but a major problem with the restore application in the updated iTunes, used when you upgrade your software.

iTunes backup renamed the image, so I could not tell the difference between backups and wound up restoring a six-month old contact database.

It then deleted the backup I really needed as it only keeps two iPhone images on hand for restore.
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I have a motorola razr phone.. It's nice.



.. (I can call ppl with it).
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Also, at $199, it's competitively priced with the other GPS-enabled smartphones.
Ah! but it's only $199 for the 8GB model with a 2 year commitment.
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How much will I pay for iPhone 3G?
If you are upgrade eligible and your account is in good standing, you will pay $199 for 8GB (black) and $299 for 16GB (black or white). Two-year contract required.

You have the option to purchase an early upgrade priced at $399 for 8GB (black) or $499 for 16GB (black or white). Two-year contract required. Coming soon, AT&T will offer a no-commitment option of $599 for 8GB and $699 for 16GB.
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I thought about upgrading to the new 3g iphone but decided to keep my old, outdated 4g iphone for a while longer. I do like the gps feature and the faster internet but I just can't justify buying it right now. It is nice to have the option though if / when I manage to break mine.
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My buddy has the new 3G, and is very happy with it compared to the old Iphone. He had numerous problems with the old one(time will tell witht he 3G), and the reception is better in the same areas with the new phone.

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I played around with the iPhone 3G for a little bit, and while it's a really nice device, it's not for everyone (yet).

Don't get it mistaken; the UI on the iPhone is the zenith of mobile GUIs. Like the iPod, Apple pretty much single-handedly* changed the concept of designing mobile UIs with maximum simplicity. They ensured that you have to be a really special case to not be able to operate the basic functions of the iPhone within about 10 minutes of picking it up.

Another thing that has been mastered by this device is the mobile internet experience. I think that there is a reason why Apple heavily advertised this device as having internet capability. It wasn't that itsmobile internet was unique to the iPhone; it was that the mobile internet on the iPhone was unique to the industry. You can seriously get the entire internet, unedited and unabridged, straight to your device. This is very important, as the next best solution (Opera Mini) has to redirect all web sites to a proxy server so that it can render properly on the device. The iPhone doesn't rely on middle processes, nand that's pretty much what puts it in a league of its own.

Did I mention that it's also hands-down the SEXIEST device ever?

However, I think that's where the true innovation set by this device ends and where its flaws begin. I think everybody is pissed off that there is no copy and paste, but people purchase the device anyway nad are happy with it, so I don't think it's as big of a problem as its made out to be. My problems with the device, like almost all of Apple's other products, is that it's way too limiting for people like me. I like to have some power over my user experience, even if it may not be the easiest way to do things. I'm very savvy with technology in general, so I don't need to be handheld on how to do anything on my items. This configurability is precisely what Apple sacrifices to create the ultimate end-all user experience, which is completely understandable but is a turn off to people like me.

I also don't think that the 3G is all that amazing yet (at least in the US). Speeds are not as amazing as they are made out to be, and the latency (the time required for the device to reach the web page or server) is still pretty high. Furthermore, 3G devices still cannot work around the terrible battery consumption, which make it somewhat inconvenient for longer internet browsing and especially inconvenient for any applications that use the internet extensively.

It's also pretty lacking in the email department (at least for my purposes). I use an Exchange server to access my email, calendar, contacts and tasks, and if they implemented Exchange like most other manufacturers do (using the WebDAV protocol, i.e. the same one used to log on via web browser), I can bet that it won't have support for subfolders or task synchronization. Combined with the pretty green SDK released lately, I doubt that this will be circumvented soon.

I think the iPhone is the best device out there for people who want more than a phone and less than a Blackberry/Windows Mobile device. However, at the moment, there are better options for people like me.

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* I think that their UI solution should be credited to others who used the icon/touchscreen interface before them, like Palm. Regardless of the managerial/corporate decisions they've made recently, I still think that they were the first pioneers of the smartphone interface. I don't think anyone really had it right before they came into the scene.
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No stereo bluetooth
Can't replace your own battery
No MMS
No video recording
2MP camera
No flash-memory expansion slot
No voice dialing
No landscape keyboard feature

Oh yeah, totally worth it.

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No stereo bluetooth - Yet, can be addressed with future updates
Can't replace your own battery - I'll give ya this one
No MMS - Who cares? Use email to a cell number and it will arrive the same as an MMS would
No video recording - Not a biggie for me, but again can be fixed via software update
2MP camera - Best cell phone camera I have ever used, albeit limited in features, the pictures are actually very nice.
No flash-memory expansion slot - Did you miss the part where the phone is 16GB of memory?No voice dialing - There is an app that allows this.
No landscape keyboard feature - Keyboard can be landscaped for internet use, but not text msging

Oh yeah, totally worth it. - Yes, yes it is actually.

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Ah! but it's only $199 for the 8GB model with a 2 year commitment.
Ahh so it requires the same terms as every....other....phone...

I don't understand how people use this as an argument for inferiority of a device. Look at Blackberry prices, or any other smart phone for that matter $500-$800 price tags are not at all uncommon when you look at the "non-commitment" option. Sure it is more than a RAZR, but it is also Waaaay more phone.
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One thing Apple has done was set a price ceiling on how much a full featured smartphone costs -- $299 for a phone with 16GB (which few memory cards can go up to). However, other phone companies haven't gotten the point yet, and are sitting there wondering why nobody is buying their $499 + 2 year service for their offering.
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Ahh so it requires the same terms as every....other....phone...

I don't understand how people use this as an argument for inferiority of a device. Look at Blackberry prices, or any other smart phone for that matter $500-$800 price tags are not at all uncommon when you look at the "non-commitment" option. Sure it is more than a RAZR, but it is also Waaaay more phone.
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I think I paid $250 for my Pearl nearly two years ago. I might have only signed up for a one-year contract, but still, it was a bunch for me.

And yeah, the iPhone is "Waaaay more phone" than the Pearl ever could be.
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No stereo bluetooth - Yet, can be addressed with future updates
- For a device which is advertised heavily on its music features, this is a big ticket item to leave out. Nearly as bad (IMO) as bringing out a device that was advertised heavily on its web features but not utilizing the 3G network.

No MMS - Who cares? Use email to a cell number and it will arrive the same as an MMS would
No video recording - Not a biggie for me, but again can be fixed via software update
2MP camera - Best cell phone camera I have ever used, albeit limited in features, the pictures are actually very nice.
No landscape keyboard feature - Keyboard can be landscaped for internet use, but not text msging
- I'll lump all of the above into one category: Weak featured device, given the advertising hype. The hype talks up all the great web features which (initially) sound great, especially for kids glued to MySpace, LiveJournal, Facebook, etc. Reality hits when you find out you can't MMS pix to your friends, and text updates to your social networking sites are a pain because you're stuck on a non-landscape keyboard. Top it with an inability to record video feeds and you've got a pretty unappealing device.

No flash-memory expansion slot - Did you miss the part where the phone is 16GB of memory?
- Yeah, it's a lot of space. Even the 8GB model is a lot.

No voice dialing - There is an app that allows this.
- OK.


Oh yeah, totally worth it. - Yes, yes it is actually.
- Personal choice is what it comes down to. I use my phone for work related issues (checking email, taking/sending photos, MS Office Mobile apps) and for all my dippy social networking toys (text, MMS, and voice updates to LJ and FB) so my 8525 is much better suited to my applications.
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MMS is old and kludgy, so I use email (emailing pics worked better on my Pearl than MMS did, too). The keyboard is fine even in portrait mode (Apple's predictive text is loads better than SureType was). 2 million pixels is plenty for a tiny chip peering through a tiny, non-focusing lens; plus, its color balance is spot-on. And, I've got no need for the über-crappy quality of cell phone videos available so far.

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MMS is not the most efficient for sending picture messages now. Many people have e-mail capable phones, which are more powerful, especially for multiple pictures embedded in one message.

Even for those that don't have e-mail capable phones, it's easier to e-mail the picture to the appropriate phone number if you can do that (which the iPhone definitely can).

MMS is still the best solution for those that communication from "regular" phone to "regular" phone, but I think that population is shrinking.

All I know is that unless Exchange support gets better, I might go Blackberry + iPod Touch when I get my tax return in January of next year. Prices will be insanely cheap by then, and I'm always a generation behind with my technology (time-proven tech is good and cheap tech :-D)
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Do we have to have this thread every year?
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Do we have to have this thread every year?
Possibly.

I think it'll cool down by this time next year.

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This isn't the same thread.

Last year, it was the iPhone.

This year, it's the iPhone 3G. See the difference? Think about it.
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yes.. it has a bold 3G in the name...
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Ah! but it's only $199 for the 8GB model with a 2 year commitment.
Ahh so it requires the same terms as every....other....phone...

I don't understand how people use this as an argument for inferiority of a device. Look at Blackberry prices, or any other smart phone for that matter $500-$800 price tags are not at all uncommon when you look at the "non-commitment" option. Sure it is more than a RAZR, but it is also Waaaay more phone.
Not an argument for inferiority, just a lamentation that I can't take advantage of that price because I don't have an upgrade available for another 10 months (I don't want to open a new account).
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