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Old 07-17-08, 11:56 AM   #26
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Self employed, so not very loyal at all.
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Old 07-17-08, 12:32 PM   #27
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Would you change jobs simply for more money? Do you use sick days for days you aren't 'sick'?

Or are you a boy scout and would only change jobs if it presented a significantly better opportunity?

Where do you draw the line on loyalty?
Not taking false sick days is not about loyality, it is about honesty. Some people are honest, some are not.

As to loyality. Right now to my immediate boss and co-workers. Not so much for the company per se.
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Old 07-17-08, 01:21 PM   #28
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This all depends. Money isn't everything. One of the jobs I made the most money at, I was so stressed that the cash was not worth it.

If I'm working for facelesscorp(TM) and I'm having to fend off the office politics every day, I'll jump at the chance of better work. Should it be a place where I'm making a decent living, and dealing with tolerable cow-orkers, there would be very little that would get me to move.

As for sick days, I don't do that... if someone lies about small things, they lie about big things. At jobs, I've been honest. One place I worked at, calling in hung over was a valid excuse for not missing work.
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Old 07-17-08, 01:22 PM   #29
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Would you change jobs simply for more money?
It would have to be a heckuva lot more money, *and* a solid stable career.

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Do you use sick days for days you aren't 'sick'?
I don't even use leave days!
I have 58 paid vacation days owing to me currently, and no current plans ot exhaust them in the near future.

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Where do you draw the line on loyalty?
My employer is very good to me and lives up to their end of the bargain, so I do too ... I don't believe there's a defineable "line".
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Old 07-17-08, 01:43 PM   #30
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I threw myself on a hand grenade for my employer this morning.

Oh, by hand grenade, I mean sausage, egg and cheese croissant.

And by throw, I mean eat.

And by for my employer, I mean it was on company time

I take solace in the fact that they would do the same for me.
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Old 07-17-08, 03:44 PM   #31
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This all depends. Money isn't everything. One of the jobs I made the most money at, I was so stressed that the cash was not worth it.

If I'm working for facelesscorp(TM) and I'm having to fend off the office politics every day, I'll jump at the chance of better work. Should it be a place where I'm making a decent living, and dealing with tolerable cow-orkers, there would be very little that would get me to move.

As for sick days, I don't do that... if someone lies about small things, they lie about big things. At jobs, I've been honest. One place I worked at, calling in hung over was a valid excuse for not missing work.
I absolutely agree.

I actually took a pretty noticeable pay cut and a massive increase in commuting time to work at the place I am at now. Needless to say, I love my job and wouldn't have it any other way (other than higher pay, maybe ). The co-workers are great, the environment is super-relaxed, and so long as we do our work, everything else is everything else. Seriously.

I never have to call in a sick day, since I actually look forward to going to work anyway. Plus, having the option to work remotely or from my apartment and the possibility of a day off every other week really kills any real desire to fake sick or conjure an excuse to skip work...

My last job was nowhere near close to that. If you weren't working on something, something was pretty wrong. I had no guidance and no real direction, hence no real motive to work. By the end, I couldn't have cared less that my "fellow interns" (to which there was only one anyway) were from Ivy/Near-Ivy league schools with stupidly high GPAs and all of the paper credentials to succeed wildly.
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Old 07-17-08, 04:08 PM   #32
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Where do you draw the line on loyalty?
I'm not sure why you owe your employer any loyalty. I suppose if they paid for you to upgrade your skills on some kind of vague understanding that you would use those new skills to the company's benefit, it might be a bit tacky to leave soon after that, but it would have been their responsibility to spell out the terms ahead of time...eg. stay with us for at least two years after we pay for your MBA, or pay us back pro-rated tuition costs if it's less than two years, or something like that. If the terms aren't explicitly spelled out you'd have to decide it you owed them anything or not and that would be a judgement call.

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Would you change jobs simply for more money?
Or are you a boy scout and would only change jobs if it presented a significantly better opportunity?
Why do you think one of these reasons is somehow more honourable than the other? If your employer isn't paying you a competitive wage, they don't deserve your loyalty.

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Old 07-17-08, 04:15 PM   #33
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I'd say I have always been loyal to my employer, even when they did not deserve it. I have even left employers with usued vacation time that was unredeemable . Stupid.
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Old 07-17-08, 04:23 PM   #34
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Dwight: "Would I ever leave this company. Look, Im all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what Im getting paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued that loyalty more highly, Im going wherever they value loyalty the most."
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Old 07-17-08, 06:44 PM   #35
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Old 07-17-08, 07:00 PM   #37
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I threw myself on a hand grenade for my employer this morning.

Oh, by hand grenade, I mean sausage, egg and cheese croissant.

And by throw, I mean eat.

And by for my employer, I mean it was on company time

I take solace in the fact that they would do the same for me.
You're self employed, aren't you?
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Old 07-17-08, 07:01 PM   #38
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(Putting on my flame retardant suit...) I work for a state agency. I get paid a good salary, more than most non-licensed professionals in my field make; almost what a licensed professional makes. My employer will reimburse me for my license one I complete the last part of it and will pay to renew my license. When I get licensed, I will make significantly more money than I do now with little change in responsibilities. I work an alternate work schedule (9/80 schedule). I have a great benefits package (medical, dental, vision, retirement...) My boss actually helps me get my projects done. In return, I don't abuse the vacation/sick hours, and most importantly, I get to spend time with my family.

Not all state employees are slackers or hacks. Many work hard at what they do and many care about the quality of work that they do. Such is the case in my office...sure there are slackers but they exist in any job/profession.
Agreed. A lot of state workers work quite hard at very challenging positions and for less pay than the private sector. (I worked for the state a while back, and there was always more work than time to get it done. I knew a lot of people who worked overtime for free just to cover the basic duties of their jobs.) I just hate it when our state workers get the shaft on raises during budget crunches.
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Old 07-17-08, 08:26 PM   #39
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I have been pretty stupid since college. I have jumped around jobs, coached a few seasons here and there for different teams and worked in education on and off. Whatever I have done I typically have been pretty successful, top placement was 25th in the nation for coaching. In my last job search (which ended about a month ago...new job ) I had a hard time landing a job because employers wouldnt want to take me being a slight flight risk.

Luckily someone took a chance on me. I understand that I need to stay here for a few years. Plus I want to finish my masters. I have started a handful of masters degrees already and never finished. So currently I am pretty loyal although I have not been in the past. I have a great job, decent pay in an area that is the poorest county in the state (cost of living is nothing up here), and great benefits. They do not keep track of sick days, I have 30'ish days off a year, so its good stuff.

I will be here for a couple years :-P after that? Who knows...maybe work at a boarding school, sports academy, something like that in college counseling.
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Old 07-17-08, 08:42 PM   #40
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When I worked in finance in Midtown, I initially had a lot of loyalty to my employer. That quickly fleeted when I moved to another position inside of that same firm.

Now that I work in a great pharma company (working from home and a day off every two weeks = WIN, for starters), I have a lot of loyalty to my employer and my managers/team leads. They could have treated me like an intern (actually a co-op, but to most it's the same thing) and give me insignificant work, but they actually give me work that has impact (at least somewhere). I can't ask for more.
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Old 07-17-08, 09:26 PM   #41
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Old 07-18-08, 07:20 AM   #42
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Self employed = EXTREMELY loyal to your employer, I would hope.

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Old 07-18-08, 08:16 AM   #43
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Self employed = EXTREMELY loyal to your employer, I would hope.
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Old 07-18-08, 02:28 PM   #44
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Eighteen years loyal so far. All else being equal, I'd change jobs for more money and less responsibility.
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Old 07-18-08, 02:32 PM   #45
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