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Old 07-17-08, 09:35 PM   #1
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Just unbelievable. So, so, bad.

Sometimes, this place.......
Keep in mind I haven't heard this story confirmed/reported/whatever anywhere else. It could be a misunderstanding, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not. It's from the South China Morning Post, a fairly reputable paper based out of Hong Kong (which enjoys freedom of the press).

I'm becoming more and more pessimistic about the Olympics. For a while, I had reason to be hopeful, but it really seems like the government is doing EVERYTHING it can to shoot itself in the foot. It's so sad, because there really was an opportunity here for China to show the rest of the world that it's not the terrible, repressive place it's often portrayed as in foreign media. Sigh...

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Beijing authorities are secretly planning to ban black people and others it considers social undesirables from entering the city's bars during the Olympic Games, a move that would contradict the official slogan, "One World, One Dream".

Bar owners near the Workers' Stadium in central Beijing say they have been forced by Public Security Bureau officials to sign pledges agreeing not to let black people enter their premises.

"Uniformed Public Security Bureau officers came into the bar recently and told me not to serve black people or Mongolians," said the co-owner of a western-style bar, who asked not to be named.

The local authorities have been cracking down on blacks and Mongolians in an attempt to stamp out drug dealing and prostitution ahead of the Games, the proprietors said.

A few months ago, police launched a violent sting on black men drinking in the Sanlitun bar district, and a notorious nightclub largely populated by Mongolian prostitutes was also shut down.

Security officials are targeting Sanlitun, which Olympic organisers expect to be a key destination for foreign tourists looking for a party during the Games.

The pledges that Sanlitun bar owners had been instructed to sign agreed to stop a variety of activities in their establishments, including dancing and serving customers with black skin, they said.

They have been allowed to keep copies of all the pledges except those relating to blacks, implying that the authorities are wary of charges of racism.

"I am appalled," said a black British national who works in Beijing. "I understand that the government is trying to stop certain illegal activities, but I don't think blanket discrimination is going about it the right way.

"Chinese people are prejudiced, but I would have hoped that the government would set a better example as it debuts on the world stage."

Calls to Dongcheng district and Chaoyang district public security bureaus, which oversee the bar districts, went unanswered.

The authorities' attempt to keep unwanted behaviour from damaging the squeaky-clean image of the Games is the latest example of heavy-handedness that critics say is killing the party spirit of the Olympics.

During the Athens Olympics four years ago, bars and nightclubs were allowed to stay open all night. But venues in Beijing that are not being shut down during the Games will have to close at 2am and maintain tight security.

"The officials told me to inform my customers that they must at all times carry their passports or ID cards," said one bar owner.

"Security is important, but Beijing is becoming a fortress, and that's not attractive."

Rumours that all bars within 2km of an Olympic venue will need to close remain unconfirmed, with many managers complaining that they still have not been told whether they will be allowed to open or not. Several bars have been raided in the past few weeks as local police step up a campaign of low-level intimidation, according to several witness accounts.

Bar and restaurant managers in Sanlitun have been instructed to remove tables from footpaths in a crude attempt to prevent fighting in the streets.

"The local police told us to get rid of the tables because they're scared that if too many foreigners congregate outside there could be trouble," said Song Xun , who runs a burrito joint in the area.

Local musicians say that a clampdown on live music risks stifling Beijing's thriving cultural scene and giving Olympic tourists the false impression that the city is artistically anaemic.

Several popular live music venues have been shut or instructed to stop all outdoor shows, and club owners complain they have got used to strange new guests nursing a beer for hours and suspiciously observing everything around them.

"The whole music scene is angry and bewildered. It is impossible to understand how keeping tourists from seeing an open, culturally vibrant and diverse Beijing is possibly a good thing for anyone," said one well-known figure in the local music industry.

David Mitchell, a Beijing-based jazz musician, said it had become increasingly difficult for his band to find anywhere to play.

"It appears the local government is trying to control every aspect of the experience that foreigners get when they come here," he said.

"Everything is aimed at creating stability, but they don't understand that is precisely the unfounded prejudice that foreigners have of Chinese society - that it is a highly controlled and not a very cultural place. It seems completely self-defeating."
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Old 07-17-08, 09:40 PM   #2
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That's messed up.

I thought the Olympics was supposed to be the joining of all nations for one common goal. Now I know where the broken ring is.
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Old 07-17-08, 09:46 PM   #3
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I don't even know what to say.
I'm so sick and tired of that sort of ****.
With Obama getting closer to the White House some of the jackasses around here are feeling they can get away with spewing off that sort of rhetoric.
Very sad.
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Olympics in Beijing, worst idea ever.
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"Chinese people are prejudiced, but I would have hoped that the government would set a better example as it debuts on the world stage."
gbcb, since you've been over there for a while, do you find Chinese prejudices to be quite obvious? Do you think they're improving?
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Old 07-18-08, 12:44 AM   #7
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gbcb, since you've been over there for a while, do you find Chinese prejudices to be quite obvious? Do you think they're improving?
A lot of it is background noise to a certain degree, you get used to it and in the middle of big cities like Shanghai and Beijing, most people are used to dealing with non-Chinese people to some degree. But then every so often you'll come across a situation where prejudices are alive and well.

Of course, people will tell you that the prejudices aren't racist, but are based in fact. Here are some that I've come across:
- When a friend of mine in Beijing was learning Chinese, his teacher introduced a word meaning "savage" or "wild" by referring to black people
- Darlie toothpaste (formerly "Darkie") never changed its Chinese name: it's still "black man" toothpaste because "black people have really white teeth"
- A colleague told me all Uighurs (non-Chinese, primarily Muslim minority from western China with a language related to Turkish) are thieves, and said it wasn't prejudice -- "they really are all thieves"
- Jewish people are all really smart (a friend of mine heard an old PLA general talk about Jewish people, saying they're the second smartest people in the world after the Chinese)
- People that I know have expressed relief when learning an African acquaintance of mine was white.

BTW: I've run into some similar prejudices in Japan and other places, so it's not just a China thing.
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Xenophobia, it's an Asian country thing.
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I don't know if its discrimination because of security fears, or just people's racial biases coming out of the woodwork during a stressful time. Either way, its something I'd expect from the US in the pre MLK years, not modern day China, which is arguably the most advanced nation on earth.
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I don't know if its discrimination because of security fears, or just people's racial biases coming out of the woodwork during a stressful time. Either way, its something I'd expect from the US in the pre MLK years, not modern day China, which is arguably the most advanced nation on earth.
Most advanced nation on earth? By what measure? As much as I do actually like it here, there's no way I'd argue that. It is still very much a developing country.
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This is subjective, but China is advanced in the fact that they do all the manufacturing for other nations. No other nation these days can be completely self-sufficient in this department. Almost any goods one buys in the US, be it electronic items, textiles, or anything, its more likely than not that it came from around Shanghai or another industrial region.

China seems to me like the US in the late 1940s, early 1950s. Booming, industralizing, and encountering modern day problems. They have made great progress in manufacturing. I remember when steel alloys on swords imported from China were things to snicker about. These days, you can get swords and other weaponry at renfaires made out of as good a grade of metal as one can buy in the US.

One of my biggest worries is one simple thing. X amount of oil in the world, and the US, China, India, and perhaps Russia needing it to continue existing. In times past, multiple tribes/nations/groups needing a single resource would mean war, but I hope something else can occur before it goes to this extent.
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I'm glad I grew up in a place without this kind of issues. We never had black neighborhoods or white neighborhoods or asian neighborhoods... none of that. It didn't matter if you came from China, Japan, Mexico or Rusia, you were welcomed and treated like everybody else. It was a cultural shock for me when I relocated to Florida and started seeing the color-segregated neighborhoods. It's sad.
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Old 07-18-08, 02:43 AM   #13
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That's messed up.

I thought the Olympics was supposed to be the joining of all nations for one common goal. Now I know where the broken ring is.
No, it's all about money and has been since at least 1984. If it was about ethos or whatever they would never have allowed professional athletes to compete.
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This is subjective, but China is advanced in the fact that they do all the manufacturing for other nations. No other nation these days can be completely self-sufficient in this department. Almost any goods one buys in the US, be it electronic items, textiles, or anything, its more likely than not that it came from around Shanghai or another industrial region.
I think you're ignoring the fact that the reason so much manufacturing is done in the PRC is because of cheap labor costs. It simply became more cost effective to move the machinery/technology to the PRC and train the workers, and supply the raw materials. For the most part all that technological advancement is imported, and not natively developed.

I've heard speculation that as soon as the workers start demanding higher wages they might start losing their jobs when the manufacturers move on to the next country with exploitable, cheap labor.
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I've heard speculation that as soon as the workers start demanding higher wages they might start losing their jobs when the manufacturers move on to the next country with exploitable, cheap labor.

That's already starting to happen, and the government is actually encouraging it, to a point (they want to move up the "value chain" and not just be about making stuff cheaply). But I've talked to some foreign manufacturers who say they will stay in China because the quality control here is actually much better than they would get in other countries.
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Xenophobia, it's an Asian country thing.
British export, they gave us tea (actually, we stole it) and we gave the world xenophobia
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No.. obviously the british were never known to suffer from any 'xenophobia'... if they had - they probably would have stayed put on their island, rather than spreading to more than half the world. People from outside england feared the brits, much more than the other way around.

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The Brits are less xenophobic than most other people IMO.
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China, which is arguably the most advanced nation on earth.
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China seems to me like the US in the late 1940s, early 1950s. Booming, industralizing, and encountering modern day problems.
So which is it?
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It certainly does not foster their effort in world affairs but culturally it is not surprising. Both China and Japan have long histories of trying to keep the barbarians isolated to certain areas. Even though Japan has come a long way, anyone not Japanese is still Gaijin. These are attitudes established over thousands of years and they don't get displaced in a 100 years.
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The Olympics in China and the World Cup in South Africa...both bad decisions. Half the stadiums in South Africa are apparently not going to be ready for the World Cup, and crime in the country is supposed to be pretty bad. I'm not sure if its South Africa that has recently seen a lot of white people being killed (simple for the fact that they are white) or one of its neighboring countries, but theres been a lot of doubt about the World Cup being played there.
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Sad, but not totally surprising.

Mainland is all sorts of messed up
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