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    Motorcycles: They for stupid people?

    So with the inherent risks attributed to motorcycles, are they for stupid people? All I ever hear is a motorcycle crash here, and a death here. Injury this and injury that. Are motorcycles really that much more dangerous than cars? Or is it that the people who ride motorcycles aren't exactly the brightest people, and it is just another way for them to get themselves into dangerous situations? How much different is this from bicycle commuters, two wheels, human engine, no cage?



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    Motorcycles are very dangerous, and not the same thing as a bicycle. For one, a motorcycle is far more complex, weighs a lot more, and travels at much much higher average speeds. They are alike in that most cagers do not see them, or see them but ignore them, not seeing them as a threat to their safety. Why would anyone compromise their safety by getting on one of these crotch rockets? Some actually enjoy it, some are just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsurfer View Post
    Motorcycles are very dangerous, and not the same thing as a bicycle. For one, a motorcycle is far more complex, weighs a lot more, and travels at much much higher average speeds. They are alike in that most cagers do not see them, or see them but ignore them, not seeing them as a threat to their safety. Why would anyone compromise their safety by getting on one of these crotch rockets? Some actually enjoy it, some are just stupid.
    I would use the same arguments to prove that motorcycles are only for smart people.

    The penalty is much higher for stupidity on a bike.
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    ^^ no more needs to be said .

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    I would get one if I lived somewhere more rural, but for the time being I live in the Valley in Arizona, where traffic is always congested and no one knows how to drive. I think they are a stupid way to travel in busy traffic. I know someone who was paralyzed in a motorcycle accident, but I still I think they are fine and have their place, but they need to be used cautiously.
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    although there are some stunt rider wannabees out there, the overall mass of riders is the same demographic you would see anywhere else. That is to say they're equal.

    It's only considered more dangerous, because drivers don't see them or ignore them like above and that there's not much in terms of safety devices that can prevent fatal injuries.

    safety devices you can find on cars that aren't on motorbikes: crumple zone, seat belt, airbags (ok so there is a bike with an airbag, but the effectiveness was questioned). Basically things to keep you from going airborne and getting mangled when your ride comes to a quick stop.

    If you screw up, you have no metal cage to protect you. If they screw up, you have no metal cage to protect you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    I would use the same arguments to prove that motorcycles are only for smart people.
    I would like to hear more on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxximum View Post
    All I ever hear is a motorcycle crash here, and a death here. Injury this and injury that.
    Consider these two possible news stories:

    1) "A motorcyclist went on a pleasant ride out in the country today. The weather was great and the scenery was very picturesque, so [he/she] is thinking of doing it again next week."

    2) "Check out this horrible, twisted, bloody wreckage!"

    Keeping in mind that the news exists solely for ad revenue, and thus sensationalism is job one, do you really think scenario A is going to make air?

    Now think about how common a car wreck is. Are car wrecks newsworthy? Usually not, unless they're especially noteworthy: Multiple-vehicle pileups, especially spectacular crash scenes, wrecks involving young attractive women, etc.

    Put those two items together, mix in a bit of society's latent bikers-are-all-dangerous-outlaws-as-seen-in-The-Wild-One prejudice, and you have a formula for motorcycles being made to look bad.

    I'm not saying they aren't dangerous, of course. But so are cars. So are bicycles. So are airplanes. An idiot (or, not to equate the two, an inexperienced pilot) can get themselves maimed or killed on/with any of them.

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    Tell me more, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    I think they are a stupid way to travel in busy traffic.
    In California, they can be one of the best ways to travel in busy traffic. Lane splitting is legal here.

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    It's incredibly lame for people in a cycling forum to disparage motorcyclists. Cyclists are well aware of the ignorance of the masses and the general hostility of car drivers; why are you so happy to show your ignorance about motorcycling here?

    Riding a motorcycle requires higher levels of physical skills, traffic skills, and maturity to survive than driving a car, same as a bicycle, and for the exact same reason: lack of protection, and the danger of getting hit by a car that doesn't see you. The most common motorcycle accident is getting hit by a car that didn't see it, the same issue that cyclists have.

    Here is a cool web page analyzing the relative dangers of various activities, and showing how statistics can be looked at in many different ways:

    http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm

    From a public health perspective, there is no doubt that motorcycling is more dangerous than cycling or driving, but like Wordbiker said, motorcycling requires smarter people, but the requirements in the US are very low. Not everyone who rides a motorcycle has an equal chance of getting in an accident. I rode a motorcycle for ten years (don't have one at the moment), and I felt safer on my motorcycle than on a bicycle, for two reasons. A motorcycle goes at traffic speeds, whereas a bicycle is constantly being passed by cars, the primary danger to a cyclist (on a motorcycle I felt like I was in more control of my own destiny). The other reason is that a motorcyclist wears better protective gear. Contrary to ignorant opinions, most motorcycle accidents occur at low speeds, and while an impact with a car will do lots of damage to both motorcyclist and cyclist, a motorcyclist's head is better protected.

    Again, the point is we don't all have an equal chance of getting in an accident, people with better skills and maturity have a much higher chance of making it back home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxximum View Post
    So with the inherent risks attributed to motorcycles, are they for stupid people? All I ever hear is a motorcycle crash here, and a death here. Injury this and injury that. Are motorcycles really that much more dangerous than cars? Or is it that the people who ride motorcycles aren't exactly the brightest people, and it is just another way for them to get themselves into dangerous situations? How much different is this from bicycle commuters, two wheels, human engine, no cage?
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    I do not consider myself stupid, but I am smart enough to know that I am not smart enough to ride a motorcycle.
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    I think I'm buying as bike, nothing fast, actually the worlds safest motorcycle, the Buell Blast, top speed in the 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsurfer View Post
    Motorcycles are very dangerous, and not the same thing as a bicycle. For one, a motorcycle is far more complex, weighs a lot more, and travels at much much higher average speeds. They are alike in that most cagers do not see them, or see them but ignore them, not seeing them as a threat to their safety. Why would anyone compromise their safety by getting on one of these crotch rockets? Some actually enjoy it, some are just stupid.
    +1. Just think of the worse situation you were put in by a cager while you were on your bike, now think of that same situation but with you on a motorcycle, do you think you would have made it out alive? and be honest.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Kammback View Post
    I think I'm buying as bike, nothing fast, actually the worlds safest motorcycle, the Buell Blast, top speed in the 80s.
    75 MPG!!!!!!
    Sorry man, but thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard! Whats it got? an invisible force feild around the motorcycle?!
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Motorcycles are not stupid in themselves, but what I find really stupid are the ones that shake the whole neighborhood when they ride by, setting off car alarms and whatnot. I'll never understand why people think it's okay to make that much noise. (I don't buy the whole safety-in-being-noticed-on-the-road argument.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
    Motorcycles are not stupid in themselves, but what I find really stupid are the ones that shake the whole neighborhood when they ride by, setting off car alarms and whatnot. I'll never understand why people think it's okay to make that much noise. (I don't buy the whole safety-in-being-noticed-on-the-road argument.)
    And those who speed on the highway at 150km/h weaving through traffic. A bike crash at 150km/h is far more dangerous than a bike crash at

    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    I do not consider myself stupid, but I am smart enough to know that I am not smart enough to ride a motorcycle.
    you are smart enough to know you are not smart enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    +1. Just think of the worse situation you were put in by a cager while you were on your bike, now think of that same situation but with you on a motorcycle, do you think you would have made it out alive? and be honest.
    Three times last year on my bicycle I was at a red light, it turned green, and cars went right through the red light and almost took me out. I survived because I always look for red light runners before entering an intersection on a light change, and only one of those incidents was actually close, because the visibility to my left was a bit obscured. If I had been on a motorcycle the results would have been the same, because I treat intersections exactly the same when I am on a motorcycle. Honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    No, but questions like this are.
    A question is not stupid. Only the people who criticize them. Questions are sound, they invite more information because something needs to be elaborated on. Insights need to be provoked, ideals need to be challenged. If YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND this, I suggest you go to some other forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonlife View Post
    Three times last year on my bicycle I was at a red light, it turned green, and cars went right through the red light and almost took me out. I survived because I always look for red light runners before entering an intersection on a light change, and only one of those incidents was actually close, because the visibility to my left was a bit obscured. If I had been on a motorcycle the results would have been the same, because I treat intersections exactly the same when I am on a motorcycle. Honest.
    That is sick. I will start watching for red runners too now. Thanks carbonlife.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxximum View Post
    A question is not stupid. Only the people who criticize them. Questions are sound, they invite more information because something needs to be elaborated on. Insights need to be provoked, ideals need to be challenged. If YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND this, I suggest you go to some other forum.
    Believe me...some questions are stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxximum View Post
    And those who speed on the highway at 150km/h weaving through traffic. A bike crash at 150km/h is far more dangerous than a bike crash at
    This is an argument against stupid people, not motorcycles.


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    you are smart enough to know you are not smart enough?
    Like Harry Callahan said in Magnum Force: "A man's got to know his limitations."

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