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    Racisim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That dreaded word that makes the white man run for cover and Rev. Al Sharpton start polishing his a$$-kicking boots has just entered the very confines of my abode!!

    HELP, RUN, SEND MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just walked into our building after dropping our daughter at her pre-school and could hear our landlord upstairs in a heated argument with the guy who lives above us.
    A number of pipes had burst in the last couple weeks during the cold spell we've had here on the east coast and the landlord was repairing them as well as trying to figure out why they burst in the first place.

    Our landlord, a Chinese/American fellow by the name of Tom was asking our upstairs neighbor, an American of mixed ethnicities (African, Hispanic and good ol' ******* white) were playing the blame game when I stepped through the door and I overheard this little chestnut...

    Landlord: Well everyone in the building knows you refuse to pay for heat in the winter so you use tons of plastic sheeting for insulation.

    Neighbor: Yeah and that's MY business too! If I don't want to pay the man for his oil I don't have to!

    LL: That's fine but because of the very cold winter we've had this year you went one step further and ripped the pipes out of the wall so that you could stuff the insides of the walls with plastic! That's just plain stupid and totally destructive AND made 5 pipes freeze and then burst!!

    N: Ok, yeah cool... yeah that's right, so you're saying that because I am a black man I wrecked my apartment! That's predictable! I guess ALL black men want to live in ghetto conditions just like I'm in the 'hood huh?!?! You know what? How would you feel if I said you stunk like fish?? HUH?!?!

    LL: You're insane! I never said anything about you, your race and your heritage! You're trying to turn this into something bad instead of taking blame for what you did!

    N: Yeah, I'm just a black man, I can't keep myself from wrecking my home!

    LL: You're crazy! And by the way, you're only half black!!

    N: See?!?!?! You're disrespecting me again! I'm as black as I want to be! It's not up to you man!! Right now I feel 100 percent black!

    ***BEST LINE OF THE ARGUMENT IMO*****

    LL: Well you're not. You're exactly 50 percent black and 50 percent moron!! No more, no less!

    N: Well I have to go to work so it looks like we'll have to save this for another time.

    LL: Yeah you go to work and I'll stay here repair all the damage you did.

    N: Yeah?? Ok, I'll go to work so I can get my paycheck and buy some Colt 45 and some boltcutters and we'll see what kind of work I can REALLY do!

    LL: You're a bully but I'm not sweating you.

    N: Fish head!

    And with that it was over... our neighbor left for work and Tom put his headphones back on to listen to music and start repairing pipes.

    Just thought I'd share my morning with everyone here.

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    I'd have paid to watch that.
    LL: Well you're not. You're exactly 50 percent black and 50 percent moron!! No more, no less!
    Sounds like a sitcom.

    I watched some show on TV - it it called the Donald Trump Show or somthing like that. A bunch of clowns are reality playing for a chance to work for the Trumpster. Anyway one of the woman on the show did the same thing as the neigbor in your story. But she did it on national TV. Some people treat thier race like a sharp pointy object - and pull it when they are threatend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sscyco
    I'd have paid to watch that.

    Sounds like a sitcom.

    I watched some show on TV - it it called the Donald Trump Show or somthing like that. A bunch of clowns are reality playing for a chance to work for the Trumpster. Anyway one of the woman on the show did the same thing as the neigbor in your story. But she did it on national TV. Some people treat thier race like a sharp pointy object - and pull it when they are threatend.
    I thought of that when I was reading that she pulled the race card just because somebody said the word black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istanbul_Tea
    N: See?!?!?! You're disrespecting me again! I'm as black as I want to be! It's not up to you man!! Right now I feel 100 percent black!
    You can do that? Cool. Next time someone is oppressing me I can say 'You're only doing it because I'm black.'

    Quote Originally Posted by Istanbul_Tea
    LL: Well you're not. You're exactly 50 percent black and 50 percent moron!! No more, no less!
    Wrong! He's 100% moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngateguy
    I thought of that when I was reading that she pulled the race card just because somebody said the word black.
    Your right - the word came up, I don't remember why - but definatly not calling a name or suggesting race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allister
    Wrong! He's 100% moron.
    Seconded.
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    Thats NY

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    It's kind of funny, the dialogue, I admit. Guys like that (the black guy) are professional victims.It's not limited to black people of course- there are professional gay victims, professional women victims, etc. If someone doesn't like them or disagrees with them, it's because they're gay/black/whatever. Like this columnist at a local weekly- he writes a gay column. Once he asked a friend of mine what he thought of the column and he said he didn't care for it. So of course he accuses him of being homophobic, which is funny because homophobia is one of my friend's pet peeves, even though he's not gay. He just thinks its disgusting. What bothers me about that is not just that it's insulting, but accusing someone of something like that so easily is dangerous, like when people are accused of being child molesters or abuse. IF it is true, fine, but if it isn't- try getting rid of that label. I think people should be careful about just accusing anyone of racism.

    I'm jewish, and I've had my experiences with bigotry. But I can tell when someone doesn't like me because they don't like me, and when it's because of my being jewish. The truth is it hasn't happened that often, and only once or twice did I ever actually call someone a bigot to their face. Even then, it wasn't the first thing I thought of- it was actually the last conclusion I came to because there was no other explanation. You just have to eliminate all other possibilities. It's possible to just dislike someone because they're a jerk!
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    Wabbit, how could someone even spot you "being jewish"? If you guys and the Masons would just get together and disband the Iluminati a lot of your problems would go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Chuck
    Wabbit, how could someone even spot you "being jewish"? If you guys and the Masons would just get together and disband the Iluminati a lot of your problems would go away.
    hahaha.... well, there are some people who know in advance, and if that bothers them they aren't going to like me. And then there are the ones who don't know, and then it comes up and they're suprised. "Gee, I never would have guessed!!" Like it's some sort of thing I should have warned them about to begin with! However, there have been times when I've been in a room where someone made casually anti-semitic remarks or jokes, not knowing or assuming no one in the room is jewish. NOt an uncommon thing, if you grew up where there were no jews or other ethnicities and you have no jewish or ethnic friends.

    However, the most common one I get is the 'money'.It's the look of surprise upon finding out I don't come from a family of millionaires. 'What do you mean, you're not rich?" Just total surprise- like I'm supposed to have a swiss bank account somewhere. HOwever, I've found that this often, but not always, comes from people who themselves are wealthy and so probably the jews they knew were also wealthy. Nope, I'm poor!

    Of course I should point out that none of this happens all that often. I certainlky don't have it as bad as, say black people or now, anyone with a muslim/arabic sounding name. It's like black people have been replaced as targets- instead of them being pulled over by cops, now it's anyone who looks arabic!
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    It is hard to tell what is going to offend and who it is going to offend. I was in an improv group for six years and I got hassled by the WASPS in the group for stuff the non wasps thought was funny. I was not trying to hurt any group (and made the most fun of my group, the white redneck) and funny is funny as long as you are not trying to be hurtful. Colin Quinn talks about this in an interview with Terry Gross on Fresh Air.
    I did a bit where you take an object and(try to) do something funny with it. I got some eye lash curlers which look a lot one of the gadgets used in a Bris(I had just been to a Jewish artifact exhibit at the art meuseum) I grabbed them and ran across the stage yelling " Come here you little Jewish baby!!" The audience laughed, the manager and his wife (both Jewish) were peeing themselves, but when we went back stage for the intermission I got read out by my co-players. Not a Jew in the Lot(Or a Lot in the bunch)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Chuck
    Not a Jew in the Lot(Or a Lot in the bunch)
    Or, a Lox in the Brunch.


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    I remember doing improv as well, but in my case there were a few jews, however everyone was really into being PC. Then I got into a women's improv group- that was a bit more problematic, because jews were in the minority there and it didn't work out so well. I think they wanted this soft, touchy-feely, nice type of humor, and I was more like the fast-talking jew, and it just clashed. Majority won in that case and I was given the heave-ho. So much for women's solidarity!
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    Here's a twist:

    I live in a mostly black neighborhood (I lived here for about 20+ years and watched most of my neighbors flee) in which almost ALL of the residents probably make more $$$ than I. I also attend a church in which over 3/4 of the congregation is also black.

    While I experience a bit of prejudice (being white, myself,) for the most part, I feel quite comfortable. When someone does type me because I'm white, I let it go because I realize that many people are not used to seeing people of a different background associate with them. I figure I'm destroying the stereotype of "crackers."

    Yes, most of my friends are black, whether at work, home or church. Since I grew up in a Washington D.C. neighborhood that had zero "black" people (but I knew plenty of Italians, Jews, Germans, Greeks and Catholics,) it's a good thing that I am immersed in a culture unfamiliar to me heretofore. (Tonight I just got back from an amazing performance of the Aeolian Choir, a mostly African-American acapella ensemble which brought forth the most excellent renditions of Negro spirituals. As was pointed out by their conductor, Alma Blackmon, if there is a name attached to a Negro spiritual, it's not genuine, because nobody knows the original writers of any of these songs.) I was dumbstruck by the excellence of these singers.

    Here is a reference to the Aeolians and Alma Blackmon from the web:

    http://www.alamhof.org/aeolians.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by wabbit
    hahaha.... well, there are some people who know in advance, and if that bothers them they aren't going to like me.
    I was going to reply to your comments, but since you warned me of your religious background, I will not respond now.......... Just kidding.

    In an earlier post you pointed out the professional victim. Actually, it is my opinion that anyone who assumes immediate bias to their race, sex, or orientation, etc. is a bigot in reverse. They seem to go through life thinking everyone outside their particular group hates them. So, every unpleasant thing that happens to them, from someone not holding a door to the guy that robs them must be because they are black, jewish, gay, a woman, etc. IMO, this is reverse Bigotry and at least as bad as your basic run of the mill bigotry and possibly worse. Worse, because it continues and feeds the bigotry.

    I had a gay roomate in college for awhile. We were friends also. Well, he invited me to his "coming out" party. I went because of our friendship and the free beer. Anyway, about the time I had finished my 7th,8th, 9th or 10th beer, one of the numerous obviously gay fellows hit on me. And since he was as inebriated as I was, he hit on me several times. I brushed him off gently until I had had it and then pushed him against the wall and quietly told him I was not a, well, let's just say, what I said was not nice. That was the first time I heard the word homophobic. But he left me alone after that. Anyway, the next semester, I had an English Lit class. I go in on the first day and who's the teacher? Yeah, the guy who was hitting on me at the party. And he remembered me. He began the class with an attendance check. When I answered to my name, he stopped. In a voice filled with indignation and disgust, he loudly proclaimed that he was not going to have any homophobic losers in his class, and he booted me out. I still showed up at the next class and took my seat. He booted me out again. It was the 3rd class when he relented and allowed me to stay. I finished the course with a B.

    That incident was the first time I came to grips with reverse bigotry. There have been other situations like that happen to me, but that first one really stuck with me. And by not backing down and insisting on my right to take his class, he was forced to face his own prejudice. I didn't care what he called me. I knew what I was, and homophobic definitely is not my style.
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    Well, that is really unfair, especially if the teacher is using his sexuality to coerce you. Of course,it's hard to prove, even in cases where it's the good old fashioned heterosexual kind.

    Sometimes, one way to see if a situation involves prejudice is to put on the veil of ignorance- in other words, put it in another situation. For example, just because I don't like a guy hitting on me, does that mean I hate men? Or you ask yourself, "would this person be treating me this way if I were white/straight" whatever.
    As for reverse bigotry. There's this local newspaper (I don't know if it exists anymore)for the black community, and the editor is this guy who hates everyone, and he's always writing this horrible crap in this paper. The editorial board is essentially made of people who have to agree with him or else, so he can say what he wants. He hates other blacks who he calls "kneegrows", meaning like "uncle tom" or he hates Jamaicans, Indians, whites, etc. He grew up in trinidad, hence his hatred of Indians. He also hates jews, with the usual crap about how they run hollywood, etc. The funny thing is that I remember noticing he wears these huge, gold rings on every finger, which is interesting considering how he rants about jews and all their moneyHe writes articles about blacks and how they're oppressed by everyone, etc and then rants about everyone else and how he hates them. He's one of the worst bigots I've ever known. However, I don't know if the newspaper is still around, I think it may have gone, since I don't see it being distributed anymore. NO big loss, aside from the rants, it was just really bad and amateurish, but sometimes I'd pick it up just to see who he was ranting about this time!
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    wabbit - Unfair or not does not really matter. Call it opening my eyes to the prejudice that exists on both sides of a lot of issues. Up until that point, I was basically just a dumbass white kid who thought everyone liked him because, for the most part, he liked everyone else. Naivete brought down a notch or two. That next year I took part time work with a moving company and was 1 of 4 white guys in a work force of 50-60 people who worked below the management level. I worked there for over 8 years. That rounded out my reverse discrimination education. I dealt with it and actually became very good friends with many of the blacks who worked there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUM
    I brushed him off gently until I had had it and then pushed him against the wall and quietly told him I was not a, well, let's just say, what I said was not nice. That was the first time I heard the word homophobic.
    I'm confused. While I was not there, from your comment it seems understandable that the guy would mistake you for a homophobe. Had the first time he hit on you, you had said "I'm straight" it might have ended right there. If he is a$$hole then I could see you getting pissed off and telling him forcefully to leave you alone, but pushing someone against the wall and calling them a f@G tends to make one look like a bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider
    I'm confused. While I was not there, from your comment it seems understandable that the guy would mistake you for a homophobe. Had the first time he hit on you, you had said "I'm straight" it might have ended right there. If he is a$$hole then I could see you getting pissed off and telling him forcefully to leave you alone, but pushing someone against the wall and calling them a f@G tends to make one look like a bigot.

    -s
    In order to make a long story shorter, I left out our conversation. The hits happened over a period of time. I told the guy I was straight. My roomate told the guy I was straight. I was ok with it to a point. He did not care. He kept at it. 5 to 6 times at least. And had he limited his advances to just dialog and left the stroking and touching out, I probably would have not reacted like I did. His insistence was either the stupidity of a horny drunk, or he was purposefully pushing me until I lived down to his expectations. And eventually I did. I was pretty inebriated myself. The Gay host of this predominately gay party apologized to me when I was leaving. At that point I had pretty much forgotten it. I remember telling him it was just one bonehead meeting another, or something to that effect and apologized for my part in the fiasco. He acted puzzeled. He alluded to the fact that the guy in question had a ha*d on for straight guys and to pay him no mind.

    The real reverse discrimination did not dawn on me until that first day of class. That is when I realized this guy's actions were more than the stupidity of a horny drunk. He was a button pusher who was looking for a specific response and would push until he got it. By publicly calling me a Homophobe in front of the class, he was again trying to illicit a response from me. My silence was not what he was looking for.

    But I definitely was no gay bigot. After all, I had a gay roomate who told me he was gay the first day we met. I already knew that because the head RA in my dorm informed me of his orientation. They were having trouble finding someone to room with him. We stayed roomates for 2 semesters before I moved off campus with my then girlfriend. I won't pretend my motives for rooming with him were anything but self-serving initially. Rooming with him got me out of a terrible 3 man room. My other 2 roomates were drunks who got sh*tfaced 10 minutes after I arrived on the first day. By the time I moved out 4 days later, they were still drunk. They stayed drunk through that semester and then faded into the sunset.
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