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    Back Up! For The Love Of God! Back Up!

    I didn't

    This is going to be a looooong week for me and my computer.

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    this is exactly why I like to be fred with my computers... RAID1 + backup computer also equiped with RAID1 and all the same settings as the main computer......
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    My nomadic lifestyle makes carrying around a lot of extra backup hardware annoying... and makes my laptop even more prone to disaster

    I was just talking a week or two ago with a friend about the need to back up. Meh.

    Also, for the record: AppleCare isn't quite as all-powerful as I had been led to believe.

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    I've been using Linux with RAID on my server since college (a few h/w upgrades along the way) and I haven't lost any data since about 1995. I have lost a few drives, though...

    RAID FTW...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post

    RAID FTW...
    No way. Offsite storage FTW. All you need is a fast network connection and there's no way to lose your data. RAID can't help if your computer is stolen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
    No way. Offsite storage FTW. All you need is a fast network connection and there's no way to lose your data. RAID can't help if your computer is stolen...
    winner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
    No way. Offsite storage FTW. All you need is a fast network connection and there's no way to lose your data. RAID can't help if your computer is stolen...
    Of course offsite storage is a necessary addition to sound hardware fault tolerance, but it is not a substitute, and certainly to say that "no way is RAID FTW" is just asinine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    Of course offsite storage is a necessary addition to sound hardware fault tolerance, but it is not a substitute, and certainly to say that "no way is RAID FTW" is just asinine.
    Hardware fault tolerance is only important if you need to minimize downtime and you want backups to be as recent (i.e. up to the minute) as possible. Loss of data is more likely to result from user behavior such as downloading malware or simply modifying/destroying things inadvertently than it is to result from HD failure.

    HD failures can and do happen, but RAID is overkill for most home applications. Plus, it drives up cost and there is a performance penalties for RAID1.

    For most home use, offsite storage by itself is adequate, particularly if snapshots are taken or you back up to more than one site.

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    Okay, I read the thread title and honestly had no idea this would be about computer data! I was seriously expecting something about trucks, or maybe hot chicks. Or hot chicks in trucks.

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    I heard a trash truck's back up alarm beeping in my mind as I read the title. Imagine my disappoint to find out this was about computers and quickly devolved into techno babble that makes my peanut sized brain hurt.

    I think Bob Ross had the best idea. Maybe we can combine his and mine and have a trash truck back into a Hooters.
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    With this and the Linus thread, you must be sorely disappointed with Foo today, jsharr.

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    Back Up! For The Love Of God! Back Up!
    You're on my dogmad foot!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    With this and the Linus thread, you must be sorely disappointed with Foo today, jsharr.
    Maybe I should go to the Chinese place here in town and get chicken with peanuts for lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colorider View Post
    Phobias are for irrational fears. Fear of junk ripping badgers is perfectly rational. Those things are nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Maybe I should go to the Chinese place here in town and get chicken with peanuts for lunch.
    Ah, the Jimmy Carter Special. They still have that, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey View Post
    Ah, the Jimmy Carter Special. They still have that, eh?
    No, they ran out of Billy Beer, which was included on the special, so they now just call it Chicken with Peanuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colorider View Post
    Phobias are for irrational fears. Fear of junk ripping badgers is perfectly rational. Those things are nasty.

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    Drobo FTW.

    Small, hot swapable, plug and play raid.
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    Dude - USB external HD are getting ridiculously cheap, you know.
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    Man, it was so nice when a full backup consisted pretty much of the web browser bookmarks file, the mail file/directory, and ~/.* (at least the ones pertaining to configuration).

    Now it's tough. Over 20GB of photographs alone. I'll admit that I haven't backed things up in a good, long while. It worries me. At least I don't have to worry about Windows randomly defecating all over itself on a regular basis anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenG View Post
    Drobo FTW.

    Small, hot swapable, plug and play raid.
    That's pretty rad. Good to see such a device using Firewire, too, instead of pretending like USB 2 is worth a damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenG View Post
    Drobo FTW.

    Small, hot swapable, plug and play raid.
    I was about to mention this little gizmo too

    I tried a demo of it last summer and it's really awesome.
    Ability to use mismatching sizes
    upgrading total disk size on the fly
    hot swap capable...

    oh the abuse it can take... so good
    It's on my list of gizmos to get
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    Backups really need a multi-pronged approach.

    First, if you can do it, I really like a dedicated backup server with Retrospect or Backup Exec. Something that can initiate backups by itself, so if malware hits a client, it won't be passed to the server. This is very expensive though. Next best thing is a decently secure NAS, and have machines back up to a share. At the minimum, hook up an external hard disk (preferably a Drobo) to the machine to do daily backups with Vista's backup utility.

    Second, use Mozy or a known good service to have documents auto-copied offsite. This won't restore a machine from scratch, but your documents will be safe. Mozy also encrypts documents before going to the server, which is a big plus in my book.

    Last, consider some offsite system, usually the best thing next to tape drives would be several external hard disks that get swapped off and on site every couple weeks.

    Backups have to be multi-pronged, but one needs to factor in stuff like if your office or home gets trashed (fire, tornado, bad battery swallowing contest). Also, make sure to back up critical data to more places, but also consider a image backup so you can restore a machine from scratch pretty easily.

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    Right now I have the same look on my face that a dog has when you tell it a joke.
    "harder" is not a very good safeword.

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    RAID is for fault tolerance, not backup. If you accidentally delete a critical file on a RAID system, RAID will not help you recover it.

    Ideally, you need RAID and a reliable backup/restore solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithm0 View Post
    RAID is for fault tolerance, not backup. If you accidentally delete a critical file on a RAID system, RAID will not help you recover it.

    Ideally, you need RAID and a reliable backup/restore solution.
    stop deleting critical files or overwriting when you make a small change to files
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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