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Old 09-03-08, 04:36 AM   #26
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It would appear that the biggest problem with the new iPhone is AT&T's fledgling 3G network.
No kidding. I woke up this morning, and the ATT network walked up to me, kicked me in the nuts, spit on my iPhone and walked away laughing. Now its getting personal...
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I'm really in the sticks compared to most people here, and the Verizon 3G network is amazingly good here at my house, on top of a hill in the country, with hundreds of acres of woods around, etc. AT&T doesn't have 3G up here yet, they're saying they will have it within a few months. I don't think Verizon even has 2G, I'm pretty sure they are 100% 3G. It's pretty snappy, web pages load pretty fast, very useable.
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Here is a review of the Dare:

http://gizmodo.com/5020820/verizons-...est-iclone-yet
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Fixed.
HORRIBLY incorrect.

Try using a Treo 650 after using a Blackberry. You'll get into convulsions looking at the damned thing!
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I'll tell you what: that iPhone is raising the bar, and pushing companies like LG to respond with products like the Dare phone. No iPhone, no Dare. Fewer new innovative Blackberry phones. The competition is a very good thing for consumers.
I agree.

The iPhone definitely set a new standard (and I kind of expected them to, especially after the iPod). RIM is probably going to play with the touchscreen idea, but if they are going to use that same OS, I don't think it'll work out (or if it does, it should be REALLY interesting). I don't know how Windows Mobile is doing, but Microsoft is definitely losing to these two companies.
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It seems that most other providers are just throwing in the towel, and hoping that they can keep in business just by capturing the low end market for the people who do a year's subscription and have a "free" phone thrown in.
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In theory, you can use an iPhone on a T-mobile. However You do lose a number of features, such as the App Store (IIRC), the enhanced voice mail, and other iPhone specific features.

Personally, I'd love T-Mobile to carry the iPhone. They desperately need some nonsucking phones for the upper end.
I use the 1st Gen iPhone on T-Mo. Unlocked and Jailbroken- No problemo.
I can use the app store and all other features except Visual Voice mail.
I loved my BB Curve and actually traded it for the iPhone. They both
have their good and mediocre points.
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Pcad is not buying Apple!?!?!?



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OMG the world is comming to an end!!!
It would be harder for me if I were more of a road businessman. I'm not. I'm at a home office 95% of the time. When I'm on the road I have a staff that can monitor my email. And I never fly anywhere on business. I don't care about web surfing or email on the phone, just the phone part, using it for instant messages, the occasional outgoing email to a pal, the alarm clock, calendar, calculator, the camera once in a while. So for that the Dare works fine, it's a huge improvement over the Motorola Razr it replaced.

I do want an iPhone eventually. I'm hoping either AT&T's network improves or the iPhone comes to Verizon in the next couple of years. But Verizon has my bases covered in the meantime, we really like them as a carrier, they're very easy to deal with. That loaner phone arrangement for Europe really worked out GREAT this summer for my wife and I on separate trips to Italy and Greece. I'm actually very happy with this Dare after a week. The web browser blows, but it is very fast, and Verizon's 3G network is friggin EVERYWHERE. That is not at all the case with AT&T at the moment.

Don't worry, I'm purchasing two new Macs (a laptop and a desktop) in the next six months.
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I agree with PCad using the Verizon Service, I still have to keep a phone on both networks for best coverage and as a way to make outgoing calls when my iPhone has peak incoming email periods.

That said, Samsung products are superior to LG in that price range when you consider longevity, so I would have s
gone Samsung as the iPhone substitute. FYI I am on four generations now of Samsung WM data phones and have never had a problem. My friends have switched to/from LG a number of times.
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Product 'longevity'? Please Steve. I have a 14 year old daughter. You know how she lost her last phone? She left it on her beach towel in Myrtle Beach, SC, while she and her friend chatted with the boys 100 meters away. The tide came in and washed it out to sea. It was two months old. She broke the earlier phone (identical) in 4 months.

Needless to say, the $5 per month per phone insurance/warranty extension for us was sort of a no-brainer. $50 if she drops it in the drink instead of $400+. Me too. I'm on my bicycle with the phone every day. That was worth it to me.
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Yup, tweens and teens use or lose these devices; but you'll find that dropping the Samsung product is a far less painful and explosive an experience!
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Don't worry, I'm purchasing two new Macs (a laptop and a desktop) in the next six months.
*exhales heavily* you had me worried there for a minute.
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I just picked up the Dare for myself...despite pcad buying one first.


Meh, I got two phones, cases, BT earpieces and extra chargers for about what most folks pay for a tank of gas (thanks to my future son-in-law working at a Verizon store). Best of all, my monthly only went up $5 for unlimited data versus $30 for any Blackberry.
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enuffs enuff, fanboi !!

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After several months with the Dare, we like them better than the Razr phones. But it ain't no iPhone. Ok for the next year or two. We'll see. AT&T service and pricing blows up here. Too pricey, too limiting, we're sticking with Verizon.
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Also: the Dare is very nice and compact, light, excellent ergonomics.
Didn't you write about this phone before?
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Incorrect.

With any Blackberry comes a $30/mo. boost to my bill. The Dare fills my needs just fine (so far, though I'm still learning all the capabilities) while saving me $300/year. I'm also liking the touchscreen better for my fat thumbs better than any keypad I've tried. My future son in law knows phones like I know bikes, and he recommended the Dare to save me money without adding features I don't need.

I can understand if your business pays for/requires more phone capabilities, but for me it's a good fit. Fun stuff to explore, music, videos, a nice wide screen...I'm happy.

I just pray that the Dare isn't a gateway drug to me buying a Mac.
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Verizon claims that GSM and CDMA will be replaced with a new protocol that EVERYBODY will be adopting in a year or so. Anybody know anything about this?
I haven't heard anything and I have relatives working at QCOM and Kyocera. The problem with adopting a new protocol is they will have to update/change all of the installed base stations. I can't see that happening any time soon.
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I haven't heard anything and I have relatives working at QCOM and Kyocera. The problem with adopting a new protocol is they will have to update/change all of the installed base stations. I can't see that happening any time soon.
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This will not happen unless the government mandates it, and if it does, you can look for cellular phone costs to double (again) to pay for it. GSM is the world standard and always will be. There may be extensions, but backward compatibility will always be maintained. CDMA is dead - Verizon and Sprint just don't want to admit it.

Then again, the US tends to adopt stupid standards that value cheap over compatibility and function. HDTV is an example. The FCC mandated 8VSB instead of COFDM, meaning that the coverage area is 1/8 the size that it would be for COFDM, but it would be a cheap rollout because broadcasters would not have to replace their power amplifiers.

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I haven't heard anything and I have relatives working at QCOM and Kyocera. The problem with adopting a new protocol is they will have to update/change all of the installed base stations. I can't see that happening any time soon.
Correct. Don't hold your breath.
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I would never pay $500 for a phone, especially if it were for a kid who had a working phone already.
There was a day before cell phones. You might be more happy if you try to embrace living without one for awhile.
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I paid zero for my phone and it cost 36 dollars a month for everyting
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I think Pcad made a reasonable decision given his assumptions.
Living without a smartphone is probably the better way to go if possible,
but if your baseline assumptions are about having to support texting and
such then it seems sound.

I personally finally succumbed to the iphone crack. I make lists and spreadsheets
for work in google docs and sync them to my iphone so it functions as an organizer.

Whoever manages to live without a cell gets the bhodisatva biscuit and props.
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