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Old 09-03-08, 10:24 AM   #1
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Freshwater aquarium help - need a quiet pump/filter

My fish tank of many years needs replacing, and the one thing I really want to change is to find a pump and filter solution that is extremely quiet, yet durable, reliable, and servicable (for the filter media cleaning or replacement). Tank size is going to be close to 55 gallon. Freshwater goldfish only. What to buy? What to avoid? I've had the sort of hang-on-the-edge electromagnetic piston pump with flow through a filter bag sort of pump an dfilter in the past and they've all seemed really loud to me, so I want to avoid those for sure.
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i liked the penguine pump and filter (it was almost dead silent when running) i had, but it was for a much smaller tank.
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outboard or submerged?

many pumps can be silenced if they're not in direct contact with a hard object.
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I think it's the Hagen AquaClears that are really nice powerful quiet filters.
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I have always had good luck with Magnum canister filters filled with bio balls.
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Hydor and Eheim makes some very nice aquarium pumps
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I had a Penguin on a 55 gallon tank, and it was about silent.
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Wet dry trickle filter, runs pretty quite as its inside the stand. Plus your gonna need a REALLY GOOD filter if your keeping a bunch of Goldfish in a 55G! Although some of them are really beautiful They produce A LOT of waste! I was going to mention the Peguin Bio Wheel 350 as thats what I use and its very quite, but I dont know if it will be up to cleaning the waste produced by goldfish? I use a 350 on my 30G and have used two on a 55G set up with GREAT success!
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Heres my little 30G set up with a Peguin Bio Wheel 350, its been up for about 5 months now and its my first "fake" set up, but all the plants are real live plants.

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I have always had good luck with Magnum canister filters filled with bio balls.
That type of set up would only work as a mechanical filter as the bio balls are made specifically for wet dry trickle filters. Heres how they work:
" A wet/dry filter, also referred to as a trickle filter or a bio-tower, is an aerobic filtration method. For those of you that may not understand the term aerobic, it means occurring or living ONLY in the presence of oxygen. In other words, it can only work when oxygen is present. For this type of filtration, the more oxygen saturation it gets, the better it functions.

Water is pumped from the aquarium, then by means of a drip/trickle plate or rotating spray arm the water is dispensed or "trickled" down over and through a biological material source contained in the wet/dry filter chamber, but not before the water is pre-filtered by means of mechanical filtration, which can be accomplished with the aid of a protein skimmer or by placing a pre-filter material such as filter floss, a filter sponge, or micron filter felt on top of the drip/trickle plate area. When the water falls through the holes of the drip/trickle plate onto the bio-media, this allows for aggressive oxygen saturation of the water. Remember, aerobic! The clean filtered water is then deposited back into the aquarium either directly, or first into a sump or some type of water containment area and then returned."
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i have a rena xp3 canister filter along with 2 ac70s on my 55g. the aquaclear filters are kinda loud, especially if you water level get low. the xp3 is dead quiet and the spray bar is placed below the water level. my tank is pretty heavily stocked with some cichlids and 2 plecos and this keeps the water nice and clean. i've had it for almost a year now and its still working great. i clean it about every month to 2 months. everyone that i've talked to has had theirs running for a long time now without any problems.

i've heard wet/dry filters are kinda loud. they pour water into the filter which can be kinda loud and the intake pipe can make a slurping sound

heres my 55g w/ the xp3
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I agree with the recommendation of the Rena XP3. A canister is definitely the way to go when quietness is important. The Rena XP series is lower cost and similar in design and function to the more expensive Eheim Pro II series, and though I've not owned an XP they are very well regarded. Biological filtration is of utmost importantance with goldfish, so you'll want to use a good portion of the filter volume for biological material like the Rena stars or the Eheim Ehfi Substrat Pro.

I use an Eheim 2217 Classic canister along with an Eheim 2028 Pro II canister filter on my 75g.

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I agree with the recommendation of the Rena XP3. A canister is definitely the way to go when quietness is important. The Rena XP series is lower cost and similar in design and function to the more expensive Eheim Pro II series, and though I've not owned an XP they are very well regarded. Biological filtration is of utmost importantance with goldfish, so you'll want to use a good portion of the filter volume for biological material like the Rena stars or the Eheim Ehfi Substrat Pro.

I use an Eheim 2217 Classic canister along with an Eheim 2028 Pro II canister filter on my 75g.

NICE! Wish my home was big enough for a lrger set up
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beautiful planted tank! i got a 125g back in may but still have yet to set it up. i'd love to do a planted discus tank but ill prolly just do an aggressive cichlid tank i also bought an FX5 for it which im stoked to use on the tank.

Eheim are nice filters but pretty pricey.
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Thanks everyone, that narrows the field of choices a lot, I'll go have a look at those. +10 on goldfish poo, my gosh they generate a lot of poo per fin!

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I can do either, I'm going to make an entire new setup and trash the old one.
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When I had goldfish I used an Eheim cannister filter. It was light years more effective than the type that hang on top with the filter pads. I felt bad for the feeder goldfish and would buy them over the fancier ones. Over the course of a few years they outgrew a 30 and 55 gallon tank but the Eheim did a great job of keeping the tank in order. Eventually I moved and gave the tanks and fish to a co-worker who had a 120 gallon tank. The goldfish were frickin' freighters by that point.
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That type of set up would only work as a mechanical filter as the bio balls are made specifically for wet dry trickle filters. Heres how they work:
" A wet/dry filter, also referred to as a trickle filter or a bio-tower, is an aerobic filtration method. For those of you that may not understand the term aerobic, it means occurring or living ONLY in the presence of oxygen. In other words, it can only work when oxygen is present. For this type of filtration, the more oxygen saturation it gets, the better it functions.

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You are correct about all that you stated about bio balls being used for wet/dry filters. However, I ran my system slightly different using them. I was running two 350 magnums to filter a 160 gallon tank. I left the carbon filters in place and instead of using the filter pads that they provide which are junk and clog very quickly, I used bio balls to do the mechanical filtration. I realize this is not a very conventional setup but it worked great. The tank was set up for African cichlids only and was my main display tank when I was breeding my mated pairs before seperating the babies into smaller tanks. I have to dig up a picture to post since this was about 7 years ago and my brother in law now has the 160 tank and stand. I kept the filters because I plan on re-setting up my 55 and 65 as invertebrate tanks when I have time to maintain them properly. Needless to say, but I miss that 160 gallon tank. It was an Oceanic tank and they don't make that size anymore, I was able to get it from another breeder when he decided to upgrade to a 220 gallon.
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I agree with the recommendation of the Rena XP3. A canister is definitely the way to go when quietness is important. The Rena XP series is lower cost and similar in design and function to the more expensive Eheim Pro II series, and though I've not owned an XP they are very well regarded. Biological filtration is of utmost importantance with goldfish, so you'll want to use a good portion of the filter volume for biological material like the Rena stars or the Eheim Ehfi Substrat Pro.

I use an Eheim 2217 Classic canister along with an Eheim 2028 Pro II canister filter on my 75g.


Nice tank! Good biogeographic mix.
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Thanks for the compliments on my aquarium.

Indeed, the Eheim filters are expensive, but for me the quiet operation and ability to maintain flow with long periods between cleanings make them worth the additional expense. It's a matter of relative cost too, on the higher-tech planted tanks the lighting system and CO2 equipment also make quite a ding in the budget.
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