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Old 09-24-08, 02:45 PM   #1
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kubaton versus bike shoe

Flying out of Denver TSA was having an issue with something in my bag, and left me in the "holding pen" while they kept pulling things out and running it back through. I rarely get irritated about these things, and tried to be helpful by offering suggestions to the agent about things it could be-

GPS? No.
Bike shoes? No.
Huge laptop charger? no.

Agent: "It's a baton or something"
-- pondered.
Me: "Front flap, its a kubaton keychain"



Oops. now, it IS on the TSA prohibited item list, so thats my bad, no arguement that I should have been on top of things (I got out of MSP with it- in fact, have traveled with it several times).

Thinking about it, these were acceptable. Couldn't they do just as much (more?) damage.



So, what weapon would you want in a fight, a kubaton, or a bike shoe?
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Old 09-24-08, 02:55 PM   #2
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So, what weapon would you want in a fight, a kubaton, or a bike shoe?
Bike shoe. With sharp studs added on the sole.

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I wouldn't trust a Shimano shoe in a fight, but if you're talking like, Diadora or Sidi, then I'd pick the shoe. Seems like it has greater eye gouging potential.
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Bike shoes. Or, better yet, soccer shoes. Yeah.
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Golf shoes FTW
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Bike shoes. Or, better yet, soccer shoes. Yeah.
Reminds me of crampons.

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its just a bit odd that all those are ok. (ok maybe not the crampons)
whatever, I replaced my blunt-ended kubaton with a new, pointy one.



Did you knwo you can also bring 4 oz of mace?
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its just a bit odd that all those are ok. (ok maybe not the crampons)
whatever, I replaced my blunt-ended kubaton with a new, pointy one.



Did you knwo you can also bring 4 oz of mace?
God d@mn, that looks phallic.
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Imagine the guy the guy that got hit in the head with a Sidi filling out the injury report

EMT: How did you get this headwound sir? Do you reacall much?

No: Some guy with massive guads hit me in the head with a shoe.

EMT: Can you describe the shoe.

Well it was gaudy, but if felt better than any other shoe that I have ever been hit in the head with.

EMT: Must have been a Sidi. When you say gaudy, was it shiny and smooth or dull and pointy?

Uh, I remember it as shiny and smooth

EMT: Damn roadies, figures.
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baseball steel cleat shoes.

I'm surprised the players are allowed to use these.
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Speaking as someone who used to be a kubaton instructor and has carried one for two decades, many Federal buildings, courthouses and now the airports will not allow them to pass the security screen. In these environments, I recommend a miniMag flashlight, or other small 2 AAA or 2 AA light; a Cold Steel Sharkie, or a larger diameter pen or marker. These never get a second glance at the security station and make a fine kubaton for someone who knows what they are doing.
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Speaking as someone who used to be a kubaton instructor and has carried one for two decades, many Federal buildings, courthouses and now the airports will not allow them to pass the security screen. In these environments, I recommend a miniMag flashlight, or other small 2 AAA or 2 AA light; a Cold Steel Sharkie, or a larger diameter pen or marker. These never get a second glance at the security station and make a fine kubaton for someone who knows what they are doing.
thats a great idea! yeah, I understand why they're 'banned' but as someone with minimal training... I'm not so dangerous

too bad I just spent 7.49 for a new kubaton on ebay. guess i could splurge again.
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you should just bring a flash light............

6D mag-light of bashing
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Isn't that a martial arts weapon? not sure how deadly it is though.
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Old 09-24-08, 05:47 PM   #15
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Kubotans and my guess soon alloy flashlights, 'specially the ones with the serrated bezels; are a victim of there own marketing. The second picture below features the "interrogator bezel" clearly it shouldn't be available to the public, only professionals.





Cheap B&W advertisements of self defense tools with ninjas jumping around in the background and inset cartoons of scrawny guys taking down leather jacketed thugs with bandanna's over their faces and knit caps, sold alongside the companion book "Neutralizing Secrets of the Pros" by Kubotan Master Joe Nutbuster designed to sell these overpriced sticks also bring them to the attention of scaredy cat socialists.

Contrary to popular belief or maybe not, the government doesn't really want to do all the extra work and knows that these things aren't that big a deal. But once something is accepted as dangerous by the public, the onus is on them to look like they are doing their part. Long before such things are banned outright, they are listed on .gov newsletters as a heads up.

it never helps when items are pictured alongside more effective weapons like firearms and knives, in that case it becomes guilt by association.



So keep the bike shoe thing between us!
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You could trash someone up good with a pair of Sidi mountain shoes (don't mention they're called "Bullets"!), whether or not you're wearing them, but I've never seen a kubaton demonstrated. So I'd have to go with the shoes, with an open mind toward the little +1 Stick Of Maiming.
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Isn't that a martial arts weapon? not sure how deadly it is though.
yeah, its a martial arts and also self-defense weapon. I'm sure many things could be deadly, if trained to use them right
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When I was in college in Atlanta I delivered pizza at night, in some not-so-nice neighborhoods. We were not allowed to carry weapons, so my 4 D-Cell Maglight had to suffice. I almost had to use it once when a bunch of punk kids wanted free pizza. When I pulled the flashlight out of the bag, they had second thoughts and smartly ran off.

Maglights FTW

So Arti, when do you move? Or are you already there?
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There was a truly lousy movie where Clive Owens killed someone with a carrot, and they were allowed through security last time I heard. Nice sharp stainless steel pens are ok, but disposable razors are not, which makes perfect sense to me.

I still can't figure out that kubaton though. How long is it? How do you use it?
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^^

Reminds me of the line in Grosse Pointe Blank: "Thank you for the pen."
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http://www.protectivestrategies.com/keychain.html and http://www.safetyenforcement.com/kubandyawsti.html provides some basic information about kubotans. Briefly, they are used as either fistloads for striking, or my preferred technique, compliance holds on pressure points.

For most people, who don't have to worry about taking suspects into custody, I recommend the striking techniques to distract the assailant and give you time to escape. Compliance holds only come into play if you have to restrain someone in order to arrest or secure them.
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palm to the nose. no kubaton needed. Fight is over in about 1/2 second. Next stop for assailant is the morgue.
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Stuff taken from me: carabiner, French must have to deal w/ a lot of British yobs, security agent took it from me and put it on her hand like brass knuckles.
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When I was in college in Atlanta I delivered pizza at night, in some not-so-nice neighborhoods. We were not allowed to carry weapons, so my 4 D-Cell Maglight had to suffice. I almost had to use it once when a bunch of punk kids wanted free pizza. When I pulled the flashlight out of the bag, they had second thoughts and smartly ran off.

Maglights FTW

So Arti, when do you move? Or are you already there?
nope, not there yet! I'll be there mid-october. i'm sure i'll clog up foo with plenty of posts about my adventure, no worries
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nope, not there yet! I'll be there mid-october. i'm sure i'll clog up foo with plenty of posts about my adventure, no worries
Please do, so i can move to Colorado vicariously through you. You have no idea how jealous I am!
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