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Old 10-07-08, 10:02 PM   #1
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I need your opinion on this one - Son in trouble at School

I would like to know your opinion on this, especially if you happens to be a teacher and one of your 8yo students show up at school with this t-shirt:



Is it a big deal?

Well my son went to school with that t-shirt today and to his teacher it was a big deal. The teacher made him turn the shirt backwards and wear it backwards the whole day because he didn't like the words on the shirt. My son came in from school pretty sad because all the other kids were laughing at him for wearing a shirt backwards.

I'm going to the school tomorrow. Not just because of this incident, but for many more. This teacher seems to like to ridicule and make fun of young children.

I had teachers like that when I was a kid, but that was 3 decades ago. Isn't that illegal nowadays?

Among the other things there one issue with lunch time. He's been making my son drink milk without chocolate because "that's the way it should be". Well, my son hates milk unless it has chocolate on it. What's wrong with that? It's my son's choice. How can a teacher force kids to eat something they don't like? WTF this guy thinks he is?

And the third issue has something to do with the Jewish. I'm not Jew, never even met one. To me, all races and/or places of origin and/or religions are irrelevant. I get along with everybody and that's what I teach my children. But lately, my son has been saying stuff like:

"Oh, tomorrow is a Jew Holiday... Those are not important and we have to go to school anyway. They are not real holidays."

I asked him where he learned that and he said his teacher told him. IMHO it sounds racist. To bad I don't know any Jew, I would love to hear a Jew's opinion on that one.
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Old 10-07-08, 10:07 PM   #2
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To me it sounds like the teacher has issues. I don't see anything wrong with the t-shirt. I find young girls with "Juicy" on their butts more offensive.
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I think any clothing which could be considered disruptive could be dealt with like this. Schools are becoming more and more PC everyday.

I think I would get a copy of the school dress code, read through it, formulate my line of questioning based on what it says, and then schedule an appointment with the teacher/principal.

I do know that in Dallas, parents doing homework for kids has become a bit of an issue. It is very common place apparently. Perhaps this is the case in your district as well? Just a thought.

As to the dietary and racial concerns, they need to be addressed immediately.
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Old 10-07-08, 10:18 PM   #5
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Damn.

I can sorta see the issue with the first um issue... its petty and dumb and I don't agree with the teacher, but I can kinda see where he is coming from.

The last two are just plain stupid though. No chocolate milk? WTF indeed sir.

I am not even going to get in to the antisemitism/racism, that is just bad all around though.
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Sounds like the teacher is overreacting and trying to show off his/her power.

In the US, schools seem to teach students two things. Conform, and consume.
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To me it sounds like the teacher has issues. I don't see anything wrong with the t-shirt. I find young girls with "Juicy" on their butts more offensive.
If their butts are juicy, maybe they need to see the nurse
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Sounds like you don't need any advice. I'll just say I agree with you.
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If everything is as it appears, that teacher should be fired, and that's all there is to it.
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My kids have T-shirts that say things like....

"Home work kills trees"
"Pirates Stole my homework"
"I'd quit school, but I need the sleep"

They attend rather conservative christian schools, and they have no issues with these shirts. I guess their teachers are simply more capable of understanding a joke when they see one. Everyone knows that these t-shirts do not reflect the values that I aspire to teach my boys, they are simply silly little jokes.

The chocolate milk thing boggle my mind, where I live kids have to bring their own food to school, so they eat/drink whatever the parent sends.

I'd be most concerned about the racist sounding comments. Perhaps the teacher is in fact of Jewish background, and is in a snide way lamenting the fact that the society he lives in pays no attention to the Jewish holidays. Either way, the comments sound in-appropriate for school kids ears.
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Yeah just went back and reread the racism part. Thats ****ed up
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Old 10-07-08, 11:00 PM   #12
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If everything is as it appears, that teacher should be fired, and that's all there is to it.
Exactly.

I would be meeting with that teacher and principal as soon as school opened in the morning.
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Old 10-07-08, 11:18 PM   #13
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I teach 8-year-olds. I agree with whatever was said about the school dress code policy. It sounds like a power play, but you definitely need definitive back-up that the shirt, indeed, does not violate the school's policy. (I think it's great, by the way...sounds like the teacher has an impaired sense of humor).
Sort out the racist stuff carefully. I'll play devil's advocate for a moment and say that sometimes when kids relay stories from school, things can get muddled in the re-telling. However, if it is the case that those comments were made by this teacher, take it very seriously, and show the principal/admins that you are serious.
I'm the most outraged by the fact that the teacher made an example of your son by singling him out and making him wear his shirt inside-out. A teacher shouldn't walk on eggshells, but they ought to be VERY careful about humiliating students. I'm quite conscious of this at all times. Humiliation is not discipline...it's meanness, pure and simple.
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Yup, I'm going to the school first thing in the morning. I think that if the shirt was indeed against policy, they could call me or my wife to bring the kid a different shirt. Making him wear the shirt backwards and be the bozo of the day was out of line. Everybody knows that an 8yo does not buy/choose his own clothes. If he was wearing that shirt, it's clear that mom/dad sent him with that shirt. You have a problem with it? Take it with US! leave the kid out of it, IMO.
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Ok... you got kids running around with their pants down around their knees with their asses hanging out and he's got his panties all up in a wad over a funny t-shirt... sounds like a serious case of cranial-rectal inversion there, especially when factoring in the whole antisemitism aspect of the scenario.

I think you need to go raise an unholy stink about his actions, maybe talk to some other parents of kids in his class and see how many others have been subjected to similar treatment.
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It sounds like there are serious issues with this teacher. If the teacher is arbitrarily violating your child's civil rights by unreasonably dictating what he can or cannot wear, eat, or drink, and is corrupting your child's mind with anti-semitic and racist views, then you need to intervene immediately, with legal counsel at your side.

This is very serious and I would not take it lightly if I were you.
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I would like to know your opinion on this, especially if you happens to be a teacher and one of your 8yo students show up at school with this t-shirt:



Is it a big deal?

Well my son went to school with that t-shirt today and to his teacher it was a big deal. The teacher made him turn the shirt backwards and wear it backwards the whole day because he didn't like the words on the shirt. My son came in from school pretty sad because all the other kids were laughing at him for wearing a shirt backwards.
I'm a teacher. It wouldn't be a big deal to me. in fact, I'd probably giggle at it. If it had an element of truth, I'd giggle more...and then tell him to do his homework.

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I'm going to the school tomorrow. Not just because of this incident, but for many more. This teacher seems to like to ridicule and make fun of young children.

I had teachers like that when I was a kid, but that was 3 decades ago. Isn't that illegal nowadays?
Not sure if it's illegal, but it is bad.

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Among the other things there one issue with lunch time. He's been making my son drink milk without chocolate because "that's the way it should be". Well, my son hates milk unless it has chocolate on it. What's wrong with that? It's my son's choice. How can a teacher force kids to eat something they don't like? WTF this guy thinks he is?
Why is the teacher eating lunch with the kids? I use that time to get a breather. Unless the kid is allergic to chocolate and you have signed something to prevent your kid from eating chocolate, it doesn't matter. The only other thing would be if your child is acting abnormally after lunch, and the teacher has noted a pattern in relation to what the child eats. In that case, the teacher should tell you and not your child.

I'd also verify the accuracy of your son's story before freaking out. Kids sometimes say things that don't make any sense until adults put it all together. See my comment below.

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And the third issue has something to do with the Jewish. I'm not Jew, never even met one. To me, all races and/or places of origin and/or religions are irrelevant. I get along with everybody and that's what I teach my children. But lately, my son has been saying stuff like:

"Oh, tomorrow is a Jew Holiday... Those are not important and we have to go to school anyway. They are not real holidays."

I asked him where he learned that and he said his teacher told him. IMHO it sounds racist. To bad I don't know any Jew, I would love to hear a Jew's opinion on that one.
I have no clue where that is coming from. Your son might be misquoting and misconstruing. Or the teacher might be saying some stupid stuff. I'd just ask and keep an open mind, since it could be racist, crazy teacher or poor interpretation from son.

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I don't have problem with the shirt myself, I think it is funny. However the schools around here have made it easy by not allowing students to wear shirts with print on them, that way no one makes a bad judgment call.
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oh yeah, one more thing. This shirt maybe a sign that your son is crying out for help, you may want to listen.
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Sounds like the teacher is overreacting and trying to show off his/her power.

In the US, schools seem to teach students two things. Conform, and consume.
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take this up with the school, but be diplomatic...your son still is going there, so your actions will impact him...just my .02
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Your child is perfect and can do no wrong. The teacher is not in charge and needs to be taught a lesson. You need to get an attorney and contact the ACLU. Don't let this slide. You need to take a stand and show these people who is in charge. Tie up the courts and waste everyones time and taxes. You need to teach your child that they can solve all their problems through litigation.

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Tell the lad don't to wear the t-shirt, stop your whinning and move on.
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Your child is perfect and can do no wrong. The teacher is not in charge and needs to be taught a lesson. You need to get an attorney and contact the ACLU. Don't let this slide. You need to take a stand and show these people who is in charge. Tie up the courts and waste everyones time and taxes. You need to teach your child that they can solve all their problems through litigation.

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Tell the lad don't to wear the t-shirt, stop your whinning and move on.
He doesn't need the ACLU yet. The school should be able to solve this problem on their own.
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now only if this teacher saw some of the tshirts that highschoolers wear in NY.

"I'm a Snowman"
Pictures of Notorious BIG smoking a blunt
Kate Moss Naked

Yet to society, this t-shirt statement is fashionably correct, politically disturbing, and quite lucrative yet no one has a say. My GF is a highschool teacher teaching health education and sex - she tells me some girls come in with those tight sweat pants with words on their ass or those short skirts and UGG boats in the winter time. Man side to me fantasizes, Realistic side to me thinks, are my children going to be exposed to that type of Gen X society? I'm a Millenium Baby so that means no children yet (lol) - but I still think that a parent should exercise clothing discretion.

Specifically in your case I think the aboved course of action is definitely appropriate. Read over the school's guidelines, prepare a list of questions and how it relates to your situation, and have a conversation with the teacher, princepal, and dean.
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just another union thug, that knows he/she can't be touched....any you pay these goons and their union dues.
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My opinion only, but I do feel that teachers and school admins need to HTFU! The real world does not make people turn their shirts inside out or try to censor every little phrase that hits a nerve. Schools have gone way overboard with this sort of thing.
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