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Old 10-08-08, 10:32 PM   #1
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Who knows French?

I have to sing L'amour est un oiseau rebelle from Carmen (the Habanera) for a voice class and I'm totally mangling the French. Bleh. Is there anyone on here who can help me with my appalling French?
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Do I know French?

Mais certainement.

Je mange le petit chien.
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I'm pretty good with it, but don't really know how to help pronunciation online. Did you have specific questions?
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Why don't you download a copy and sing along?
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I'm pretty good with it, but don't really know how to help pronunciation online. Did you have specific questions?
Er...not specific--the whole song. I think the only things I don't mangle are the long "L'amour" parts.

I think the thing that gets me the most is the different "e" sounds. So many of them, gaaaah!!!! *brain explosion*
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Why don't you download a copy and sing along?
I have copies of different mezzos singing it, but they generally go too fast for me to actually get the pronunciation down properly. All I know is that "est" turns into "et" and "l'amour" is "la-mooooooor." Oh well, more listening time.
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L’amour est un oiseau rebelle

Lah-moor ay unh (nasal "n", don't use your tongue) wah-zoe ruh-bell (emphasis on bell)

Que nul ne peut apprivoiser,


kuh (the vowel is like "book") nool nuh puh ah-pree-vwah-zay (flip the "r")

Et c’est bien en vain qu’on l’appelle


Ay say bee-enh ahnh venh kon (vowel is between "con" and "cone") lah-pell (roll the "l")

S’il lui convient de refuser.

seel louie (but said quickly) konn vee-enh duh ruh-fuse-ay



That's hard! Is it useful at all?
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I am malodorous and rude, but I only speak Texican and enough spanish to order beer and shrimp.
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That's hard! Is it useful at all?
Hard! But yeah, it is useful to see it spelled out.

I guess the questions I have are the specific words (mostly the frigging "e" and diphthong sounds):

parle
l'autre
priere
prefere
rien
mais
plait
enfant
prends
surprendre
l'aile
s'envola
loin
peux
l'attendre
tends
vient
revient
crois

The rest I can passably pronounce.
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Mais certainement.

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parle - pah-rl (one syllable, flip the "r" and "l")

l'autre - low-truh (flip the "r")

priere - pree-err (flip the "r"s)

prefere -pruh-fair (flip the "r"s)

rien - ree-enh (the second vowel is like "less")

mais - may

plait - play

enfant - onh-fonh (vowels are like "on", "n"s are nasal)

prends - prawnh (flip the "r", nasal "n")

surprendre - soor-(like "book") prawnh-druh (flip the "r"s, nasal "n")

l'aile - Lyle (except the second "l" is very quick and flipped)

s'envola - sawnh-voe-lah (nasal "n")

loin - lwanh (vowel like "prawn", nasal "n")

peux - puh (like "book")

l'attendre - lah-tawnh-druh (nasal "n", flip the "r")

tends - tawnh (nasal "n")

vient - vee-enh (second vowel like "less", nasal "n")

revient - ruh- (like "book") vee-enh (last vowel like "less", nasal "n")

crois - kwah (like the beginning of "croissant")
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So basically to do French, I have to sing like the tone is coming from my nose half the time, roll Rs and Ls, and speak like a golf ball is in my throat for the vowels? That's what it feels like going through the list of words
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So basically to do French, I have to sing like the tone is coming from my nose half the time, roll Rs and Ls, and speak like a golf ball is in my throat for the vowels? That's what it feels like going through the list of words
Sounds about right to me...
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I was reading these posts it made me realize: French makes no sense! It seems pretty much arbitrary which combo of letters sounds like what (I'm sure there are rules...but they're not obvious!). After speaking French for awhile I guess it just becomes second nature and you can predict what the word might sound like (at least for me it did).

I'm learning Spanish right now and its great! The pronunciation rules are really quite constant, which makes it easy to speak (except those trilled r's...grr...).
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Actually, French is pretty logical. Now German on the other hand... (only kidding, I actually love German, but it can be peculiar if you're not used to an inflected language).

MsI- votre prononciation c'est parfait!

nekohime- for future reference, you might find this link useful: http://french.about.com/library/pron...nunciation.htm Oh- and watch out for the golf balls- especially on words like attendre and autre, and especially croissant. Be sure to practice them downwind from anyone in the general vicinity. Done right, you'll no doubt fling a fair amount of saliva (not kidding...)
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french is supposed to sound pretty, phonetically, therefore it's supposed to just flow instead of getting cut up into pieces like english.

it helps when you have a stuffed nose.
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Actually, French is pretty logical. Now German on the other hand... (only kidding, I actually love German, but it can be peculiar if you're not used to an inflected language).

MsI- votre prononciation c'est parfait!

nekohime- for future reference, you might find this link useful: http://french.about.com/library/pron...nunciation.htm Oh- and watch out for the golf balls- especially on words like attendre and autre, and especially croissant. Be sure to practice them downwind from anyone in the general vicinity. Done right, you'll no doubt fling a fair amount of saliva (not kidding...)
Oooh, nice linkie, thanks. No spitballs yet, but I make funny faces when trying to say the words.
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I was reading these posts it made me realize: French makes no sense! It seems pretty much arbitrary which combo of letters sounds like what (I'm sure there are rules...but they're not obvious!).
Yeah because it is so obvious in english
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french is supposed to sound pretty, phonetically, therefore it's supposed to just flow instead of getting cut up into pieces like english.

it helps when you have a stuffed nose.
I actually have my students pinch their noses sometimes in order to hear the correct nasal sound. That and it makes them laugh.
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