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    Your Mazda 3 - or, lets just talk cars.

    I've seen a few people around here have them... at any rate, I've got 17" alloy rims, and high-performance tires. 28,XXX miles and they're needing replacement.

    First: The indicator is pretty worn, but not really bad. I'll need tires before the snow flies- is it a dumb idea to intend another 1,000 miles on my drive to CO? I hoped once I get out there I can find a shop that will rotate them as needed, my current does.

    The tire recommended: Pirelli P6 Four Season 90H (P205/50R17/XL) tire. (Current is V-rated)... will an H over a V really gain me much more significant use? What am I trading in performance?
    Pirelli's: $114 each. Ouch.

    I was told: I don't have a lot of options for a tire with that rim. Seriously?

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    Will you be going 149 MPH (V) or only 130 MPH (H)? I think you're fine with either. For everyday use, I don't think you'll give up much.

    But if it makes you feel better, my tires are $225 each.
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    that does make me feel better.
    Naw, I try to keep under a respectable 100mph, as my red car tends to be a speed traop.

    I had a few other things done (to the tune of $200 today) and was hoping to hold off on tire tires until I get to CO, as I didn't want to dump in another nearly $300

    Thoughts on riding these out another 1000 to get there? Frankly, I won't have anything to do the first few days, so that'll give me something to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    I've seen a few people around here have them... at any rate, I've got 17" alloy rims, and high-performance tires. 28,XXX miles and they're needing replacement.

    First: The indicator is pretty worn, but not really bad. I'll need tires before the snow flies- is it a dumb idea to intend another 1,000 miles on my drive to CO? I hoped once I get out there I can find a shop that will rotate them as needed, my current does.

    The tire recommended: Pirelli P6 Four Season 90H (P205/50R17/XL) tire. (Current is V-rated)... will an H over a V really gain me much more significant use? What am I trading in performance?
    Pinirelli's: $114 each. Ouch.

    I was told: I don't have a lot of options for a tire with that rim. Seriously?

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    Don't worry about it. You'll have to sell it and buy a Subaru when you get out here. (State Law)

    First. Drive out here on the current tires. As long as they're in ok shape (not bald), you'll be fine.

    Second. The rating is the speed rating of the tire. H is rated to a max of 130 mph while V is rated to 149 mph. If you're unsure about anything, go with the recommended tire, but just doing a couple quick looks, I've found plenty o' tires for your car.

    Check out this website. It can be a bit overwhelming with options, so if you need some help sifting through tires, let me know. I'm pretty decent with tires.

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    what do you mean by the indicator is worn?
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    Indicator blocks on the tires, I think? http://www.aa1car.com/library/tire_wear.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    Indicator blocks on the tires, I think? http://www.aa1car.com/library/tire_wear.htm
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    If your indicator blocks still show depth, you'll be fine for the drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    Don't worry about it. You'll have to sell it and buy a Subaru when you get out here. (State Law)

    First. Drive out here on the current tires. As long as they're in ok shape (not bald), you'll be fine.

    Second. The rating is the speed rating of the tire. H is rated to a max of 130 mph while V is rated to 149 mph. If you're unsure about anything, go with the recommended tire, but just doing a couple quick looks, I've found plenty o' tires for your car.

    Check out this website. It can be a bit overwhelming with options, so if you need some help sifting through tires, let me know. I'm pretty decent with tires.
    no, no subaru for me. i like my little toy.

    oh, yeah by a lot of options I meant "under what is my ideal price point"- in the past, I've been able to get standard, and much less 'spensive tires. my usual shop only had 3 tires under $180ish. gr.

    So, thinking I'll get out there ok on them? Super, I'll probably do that.
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    I took crap tires to 50,000 miles and the wire of the steel belt was exposed. Not advised as my car guy pretty much said I was lucky I wasn't dead. Pirellis are awesome and I think they are worth the money.

    Wear-ability is determined by a treadwear number. UTQG listed the P6s as 400 AA, so 400 for wear (higher is better and I think it is totally arbitrary or just too complicated in calculation for to me figure out - for reference my Pirellis are listed as 760 and warrantied for 70,000 miles), and great traction and temperature ratings.

    I find TireRack ratings to be very helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    Indicator blocks on the tires, I think? http://www.aa1car.com/library/tire_wear.htm
    Yeah, no **** sherlock... I meant what did she mean when she said they were worn?

    If the indicators are showing and worn, that's bad. If there's still tread left, but they're close, that's not so bad.

    However, if they're close, a 1000 mile road trip at this time of year isn't a good idea. Snow, ice, rain other generally crappy weather calls for good tires.
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    My sister's Infiniti G35 uses the same tire size, and there indeed is a poor selection of tires in that size. Speed rating and wear rate are only loosely correlated. Look at the treadwear rating to get a good indication of how long a tire should last. (Higher treadwear rating = longer life.)

    Personally, I don't skimp on tires. They're the only thing actually touching the road, and therefore they bear an awful lot of responsibility for both performance and safety.
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    I don't really want to pull you up on your spelling but do you mean Pirelli's or is Pinirelli a brand in the US of A?

    $114 for Pirelli's that size sounds CHEAP.

    Anyway I'm not sure what they cost in the US of A but I'm a fan of Maxxis car tires. They are inexpensive and I think that they easily outperform better know and more expensive brands.

    Here's what the make in your size, http://www.maxxis.com/Products/Produ...=50&pageRef=45

    The tires with a UTQG number of 280 and very soft high performance tires and the ones with a UTQG number of 420 will have very good wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Perhaps I just haven't been looking very hard or paying attention, but I don't think I've seen Maxxis car tires in the US at all.
    That's true. Maxxis doesn't sell car tires all up in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    That's true. Maxxis doesn't sell car tires all up in here.
    Ohh well. Strike that one out. Since I've heard you talk of Maxxis bicycle tires I thought you might have had Maxxis car tires as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post

    The tires with a UTQG number of 280 and very soft high performance tires and the ones with a UTQG number of 420 will have very good wear.

    Anthony
    The other factor you have to take into account is the grip. A long wearing tyre (speaking of spelling errors, Anthony...) is probably going to have poor grip where as a softer one that doesn't last as long will generally have better grip. Depends on your driving style too. If you drive fast it like a sports car and want maximam grip then the softer ones are the better choice, at the cost of greatly reduced tyre life. If you just cruise around at the speed limit and don't drive fast and want maximum life from the tyre then a harder one would be better. Something about halfway between the softest and the hardest would be a good compromise I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    I've seen a few people around here have them... at any rate, I've got 17" alloy rims, and high-performance tires. 28,XXX miles and they're needing replacement.

    First: The indicator is pretty worn, but not really bad. I'll need tires before the snow flies- is it a dumb idea to intend another 1,000 miles on my drive to CO? I hoped once I get out there I can find a shop that will rotate them as needed, my current does.

    The tire recommended: Pirelli P6 Four Season 90H (P205/50R17/XL) tire. (Current is V-rated)... will an H over a V really gain me much more significant use? What am I trading in performance?
    Pirelli's: $114 each. Ouch.

    I was told: I don't have a lot of options for a tire with that rim. Seriously?
    $114 for a Pirelli tyre is cheap. My car takes and odd size tyre (145R15) and only Michelin makes that size. It is getting hard to get that particular tyre and they cost at least $155 each. My previous car's tyres cost $185 each.

    If your wear indicators are worn, then I would replace the worn tyres before you drive to CO. Worn tyres will grip fine in the dry, but in the wet...
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    Eew don't get me started on tires. www.discounttiredirect.com Is all that needs to be said. I use Kumho tires.

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    hm, after a little interweb research I'm starting to see $114 isn't bad, and its looking like a good tire. I'm going to take another look once the sun comes up and see where the tread wear is at. thanks foos
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    I got the mazda3 GT sedan whose tires are gradually wearing out too at 23XXX miles. Although that could just be the way I drive..

    Yeah 114 isnt bad. Are you getting snow tires too? CO residents?

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    I am a lifelong customer of Discount Tire. They have locations everywhere, they are fast, will price match and bargain, and they repair flats and check pressure for free.

    I always go ahead and get the replacement certificates. Adds a bit to the price, but I have had quite a few tires replaced by them for free using that program.

    Luckily, you are buying tires now that oil is back around $60 per barrel. Tire prices should be lower now than they were a few months back when oil was $120 per barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    I've seen a few people around here have them... at any rate, I've got 17" alloy rims, and high-performance tires. 28,XXX miles and they're needing replacement.

    First: The indicator is pretty worn, but not really bad. I'll need tires before the snow flies- is it a dumb idea to intend another 1,000 miles on my drive to CO? I hoped once I get out there I can find a shop that will rotate them as needed, my current does.

    The tire recommended: Pirelli P6 Four Season 90H (P205/50R17/XL) tire. (Current is V-rated)... will an H over a V really gain me much more significant use? What am I trading in performance?
    Pirelli's: $114 each. Ouch.

    I was told: I don't have a lot of options for a tire with that rim. Seriously?

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    You should have TONS of options for that rim size. The trouble is that you live in a place where it snows, so the best tires aren't really an option for you unless you want to get a second set of wheels to mount winters on. This can be done fairly cheaply if you buy some used ones from a high school kid wanting to get aftermarket rimz for his fly ride. As long as they're the proper size and bolt pattern, they probably don't even need to come from another Mazda3.

    Pretty much any all season in the "High performance" category should work for you. The V speed rating is better than H, so whichever one the stock tires have is the one you should look for when looking at replacements.

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    I'm not a fan of cheap tires. You can only accelerate, brake, and turn as fast as the tires will let you. Go to tirerack.com and punch in your tire size. I've heard the kumho ecsta ASX isn't too bad.

    a 205 width seems narrow for a 17" wheel, but i guess if the car is pretty light...

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    the first set of tires i bought when i had my first mazda 3 ran 245 a tire for a 205/50/17 decent all season.
    you drive a nice *fast* car, dont skimp on the tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorWind View Post
    You should have TONS of options for that rim size.
    Correct

    Quote Originally Posted by RazorWind View Post
    As long as they're the proper size and bolt pattern, they probably don't even need to come from another Mazda3.
    Well.....I personally think she has to be more careful with this. You forgot one of the most important factor in selecting a wheel (rim): Offset. She has to make sure the offset of the new rim will work with her car. If not, she may not have enough clearance of her front brakes or maybe her new wheels will stick out of the fenders.

    Most import wheels (especially FWD vehicles) will work. Most OEM wheels are around +45 or +50 offset (if I remember correctly) But not all.

    Quote Originally Posted by black_box View Post
    a 205 width seems narrow for a 17" wheel, but i guess if the car is pretty light...
    You shouldn't make a comment like that without knowing the width of her wheel? If she has a 17x9.5 wheel, then yes......a 205 tire is too narrow, but if she was running a 17x5.5 wheel, 205 tires become too WIDE for the wheel.


    Lastly, I think this goes for everyone. Please don't give give vague advice, such as: Buy Bridgestone Potenzas, they're great!

    That may be true....but do you know how many different models of Potenzas there are??? Some of them are HORRIBLE while others are top notch.

    Artifice, do your own research. If you want to keep the price around $100/tire, you have a very very very very limited for a "good" tire.

    Here are my recommendations. (scroll down to look for the performance rating....notice that it's al green):

    For $115, Bridgestone Potenza G 019 Grid http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....nza+G+019+Grid

    For $105, Dunlop SP Sport Signature http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....port+Signature

    For $147, Yokohama ADVAN S.4. (note: these are ULTRA high performance all seasons......so much better performance then the two tires above, but it'll probably wear faster) http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....del=ADVAN+S.4.

    To make a point about how I can say "Potenzas" are great, here are some Potenzas that cost $225, but the look at the rating......it's HORRIBLE!!!! http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....e1=yes&place=1


    One last thing, the Pirellie P6 Four Seasons you were thinking about buying. They go for about $100 http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....6+Four+Seasons

    But they are garbage compared to the tires I recommend above. If you get them, you're basically paying the same amount for an inferior tire.

    I don't want to come off as a d!ck, but you can't listen to someone that says, "Pirellis are great" or "stick with Yokos" or "try some Kumhos". You need to know the specific model of each.


    In case you're wondering, I have these tires in 235/45-17. Not the best, but for about $100, I'm happy with them for the past 3 years. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ExtremeContact
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