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    New Apple MacBook Pro (15.4") Report

    I've had this new MacBook Pro for about a week or so. My impressions:

    Nice industrial design, about the nicest laptop you've ever seen. It should be, it's double the price of comparable Windows machines. I paid $1900 after rebate, no sales tax.

    Still getting used to the big trackpad, not crazy about it, but the additional touch gesture controls are nice.

    Killer display.

    Considerably improved battery performance (from a two year old previous generation MacBook Pro).

    Can't really notice the faster graphics, but I don't particularly use programs that might take advantage of this newer technology.

    Setting up was a breeze, it took <2 hours to Firewire 800 the old MacBook contents to the new machine and authorize the Adobe software on the new machine/de-authorize it on the old one. Then it took about 30 hours of wireless communication with the Time Capsule to create an entire backup of the new machine, which is now complete. Zero glitches during any of this.

    All in all, Apple retains both its industry leading design and 'overpricing' I suppose. But I'm a Machead, this is what I use (we have six Macs on our Time Capsule network). And is any computer company whose market share is growing as fast as Apple's really be considered 'overpriced'? Most economists would tell you their burgeoning sales performance means they're priced just right.

    One note on 'overpricing': My FIVE year old G5 tower still seems current today, and runs the latest Mac software flawlessly, including the OS. Try that with a Windows box, you can't do it. The only reason I'll replace that last non-Intel Mac in the first half of 2009 is because the next version of OS X (Snow Leopard) won't support non-Intel Macs. But we're coming up on the 3rd anniversary of Apple going all-Intel, so that's not exactly abandoning your old customers in computer industry parlance.

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    I think their success is a result of a brilliant marketing plan that allows (forces?) them to price their stuff so high. Their price is part of their marketing plan. And the lemmings follow in droves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    One note on 'overpricing': My FIVE year old G5 tower still seems current today, and runs the latest Mac software flawlessly, including the OS. Try that with a Windows box, you can't do it. The only reason I'll replace that last non-Intel Mac in the first half of 2009 is because the next version of OS X (Snow Leopard) won't support non-Intel Macs. But we're coming up on the 3rd anniversary of Apple going all-Intel, so that's not exactly abandoning your old customers in computer industry parlance.
    That is simply not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    That is simply not true.
    Why would that stop me from posting that on BF?

    I've heard every Windows expert tell me you can't get Vista to run on an older PC. That's what I was referring to TQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Why would that stop me from posting that on BF?

    I've heard every Windows expert tell me you can't get Vista to run on an older PC. That's what I was referring to TQ.
    Oh, well...vista is a lame attempt to get an OS to look pretty. It doesn't count. Why do i think that is a legitimate claim? Because even M$ recognizes that XP is a main OS still (you must take into account the fact that they hadn't planned to).

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    I don't know about you, but my 10 year old desktop is very relevant still and my five year old Thinkpad is my main workhorse (I also own a very powerful workstation laptop, which I use less now).

    I will agree that their Macbook Pros are extremely well constructed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Oh, well...vista is a lame attempt to get an OS to look pretty. It doesn't count. Why do i think that is a legitimate claim? Because even M$ recognizes that XP is their main OS still (you must take into account the fact that they hadn't planned to).
    Uh huh.

    By the way if you want to know how that type of corporate strategy pans out in the longer term, take a look at GM this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Why would that stop me from posting that on BF?

    I've heard every Windows expert tell me you can't get Vista to run on an older PC. That's what I was referring to TQ.
    You can't run Leopard on a five-year old Mac. Leopard compares with Vista, whereas older versions compare with XP (if you want to look at it in that light).

    IMO, Macs had bigger advantages when they were using IBM processors, since they were really fast for their time (about 2x-3x faster than their Intel counterparts).

    You cannot get Vista running (reliably) on PCs three years or older. However, I've gotten XP to run on a Digital with a 200 MHz and 64 MB of RAM (approaching 12 years old now), and have gotten it to run fast on a 400 MHz, 192 MB machine (which is my file server now; approximately 10 years old).
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Oh, well...vista is a lame attempt to get an OS to look pretty. It doesn't count. Why do i think that is a legitimate claim? Because even M$ recognizes that XP is a main OS still (you must take into account the fact that they hadn't planned to).
    It's actually a pretty good OS. Lots of improvements under the hood.

    That article is also very very outdated. I'm disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
    It's actually a pretty good OS. Lots of improvements under the hood.
    The engine is fine but there is no drive train to deliver the goods. Vista is a great OS for the first three months, then it sours like a gallon of milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Uh huh.

    By the way if you want to know how that type of corporate strategy pans out in the longer term, take a look at GM this week.
    I'm not really invested in Microsoft and i don't care how they do in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    The engine is fine but there is no drive train to deliver the goods. Vista is a great OS for the first three months, then it sours like a gallon of milk.
    How does that differ from an abused XP installation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
    How does that differ from an abused XP installation?
    Because XP will last much longer, trust me...i run both platforms, i've done it on the same computer blah blah blah. Vista just stops working, and you don't even have to be connected to the internet for that.

    by the way, MS could buy Dell too pcad

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Because XP will last much longer, trust me...i run both platforms, i've done it on the same computer blah blah blah. Vista just stops working, and you don't even have to be connected to the internet for that.

    by the way, MS could buy Dell too pcad
    I agree somewhat, but haven't tried Vista SP1 yet. Abused XP will crap out in months.

    Windows Server 2008 was very stable, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Because XP will last much longer, trust me...i run both platforms, i've done it on the same computer blah blah blah. Vista just stops working, and you don't even have to be connected to the internet for that.

    by the way, MS could buy Dell too pcad
    Incorrect. My Vista machine has been up far longer than the XP box. XP has a catastrophic failure every 3 or 4 months and requires a complete reinstall. Vista hasn't given me any problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post

    What's frightening is how coherent Hickey was in posting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickeydog View Post
    Incorrect. My Vista machine has been up far longer than the XP box. XP has a catastrophic failure every 3 or 4 months and requires a complete reinstall. Vista hasn't given me any problems.
    Agree to disagree

    This laptop of mine has been running XP pro for about 2 years now

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    Yesterday I sold my Dell XPS M1330 running Vista SP1. Vista had problems when it came out. I had high hopes for SP1, but it still crashed.

    My 5 year old XP SP2 laptop is running fine, but all I use it for is web browsing and even then it reboots every few weeks.

    About 2 months ago I bought Apple iMac. I have not yet rebooted it. I've installed, played with, removed X-Plane and various other apps. So far I've had no crashes and no reboots required. I've not started using it for graphics and video editing yet (the reason I bought it) but we'll see. I do miss .net though.

    My 8 year old desktop PC which was running XP is now running Linux perfectly, but the hardware is noisy.

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    What do you people do to Windows systems to cause them to crash?

    I know that your situations are not isolated based on the reputation, but frankly, since Windows 95, I have considered Windows a pretty solid OS. I have enjoyed using Linux as well, but frankly, now that my time available for twiddling with environments is taken elsewhere, I have lost interest.

    I have loaned a 4 year old laptop to a friend that has XP loaded, that I used for loading any software I wanted to experiment with, and never had to reload the system. The system died and had to have the mother board replaced right before my 3 year extended warranty expired, but still no reload needed. When I was getting it ready to send in, I bought a desktop system with Vista (about 15 months ago) and it has run flawlessly. I had even shrunk the partition to install Linux, and then expanded it to remove Linux before I loaned it out.

    I must admit, now that I am beyond the point in my life that I care about how the OS works, I am getting a lot more interested in exploring the Mac side of the equation. Frankly, I don't care if I ever go shopping for another expansion card or look for another driver. I would miss the command line, but more for nostalgic reasons than anything else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    What do you people do to Windows systems to cause them to crash?

    I know that your situations are not isolated based on the reputation, but frankly, since Windows 95, I have considered Windows a pretty solid OS. I have enjoyed using Linux as well, but frankly, now that my time available for twiddling with environments is taken elsewhere, I have lost interest.

    I have loaned a 4 year old laptop to a friend that has XP loaded, that I used for loading any software I wanted to experiment with, and never had to reload the system. The system died and had to have the mother board replaced right before my 3 year extended warranty expired, but still no reload needed. When I was getting it ready to send in, I bought a desktop system with Vista (about 15 months ago) and it has run flawlessly. I had even shrunk the partition to install Linux, and then expanded it to remove Linux before I loaned it out.

    I must admit, now that I am beyond the point in my life that I care about how the OS works, I am getting a lot more interested in exploring the Mac side of the equation. Frankly, I don't care if I ever go shopping for another expansion card or look for another driver. I would miss the command line, but more for nostalgic reasons than anything else...
    I have zero problems with XP. I run spybot about once a month, i keep the system clean of files i don't want/use, i defrag. That's it. It runs fine. I did the same for Vista when i got it, it ran fine for a while, but soon things just stopped working. Not even things like i'm use to not working (on XP for instance), i'm saying like...menus suddenly don't load, the internet stops working for random reasons, insanely long load times. Just...odd things.

    And for the record

    The computer that ran vista:

    Core 2 Duo at 3.4ghz
    4gig ram
    8800GTS video card
    The OS runs on a WD raptor

    It wasn't a performance issue...

    And i've said it before, Mac is fantastic if you want a no brains computer that runs wonderfully and allows you to browse the net. Problem is, you can do that on a p4 based machine with ubuntu...and it would cost a lot less.

    If you like Mac's for video/photo/audio editing, that typically comes down to preference over interface in the programs. For years the processors that IBM made for them were great at multimedia editing and, often, to get the same power out of a PC required expensive work station processors. That has changed, and it changed a long time ago, yet there are some people out there that still latch on to the notion that macs are faster at editing photo's, for instance, despite the fact that it's the same hardware that you find in your Dell.
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    I just remembered that my Vista system (SP1) does occasionally seem to just stop running for a minute or two while I am surfing the net over the past few weeks. Not frequently, but it is strange for a system with 3+ ghz cpu and a few GB of Ram to freeze during web browsing. I was thinking it was a network issue, but that shouldn't freeze things as much as it does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    I'm not really invested in Microsoft and i don't care how they do in the long run.
    Then we'll see you on the Mac side within 5-10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Then we'll see you on the Mac side within 5-10 years.
    Hopefully less. I've been trying to hack OSX onto my PC's for the past month. Can't find a compatible version though. Came close on the dell but it keeps hanging during the install. Remind me to send you a picture of my laptop...i think it'll make you chuckle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    I just remembered that my Vista system (SP1) does occasionally seem to just stop running for a minute or two while I am surfing the net over the past few weeks. Not frequently, but it is strange for a system with 3+ ghz cpu and a few GB of Ram to freeze during web browsing. I was thinking it was a network issue, but that shouldn't freeze things as much as it does...
    I know it's hard, on the surface Vista is great. I love the media center that comes with it. I fought it for a long time, but in the end its a bloated piece of ass bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    I know it's hard, on the surface Vista is great. I love the media center that comes with it. I fought it for a long time, but in the end its a bloated piece of ass bag.
    I really wonder what they'll do with this Windows Seven upgrade. Maybe it will cost $4,000+ and be made out of fine titanium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    I really wonder what they'll do with this Windows Seven upgrade. Maybe it will cost $4,000+ and be made out of fine titanium.
    And it will take 5 minutes to boot and about 20 before it crashs.
    M$ reminds me of US cars in the late 70's. A giant 350 putting out all of 140 horsepower
    to propel a 5000lb car that rusted out in 3 years. Very efficient

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