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    Why? Because Microsoft today reminds me of GM in 1987.

    And we all know that ended badly.

    So, MSFT fans, hold onto your F-ing hats.

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    Phobias are for irrational fears. Fear of junk ripping badgers is perfectly rational. Those things are nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    MSFT fans[/URL].
    Does not compute.

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    What's worse is that Windows 7 is a yawner. It shows some better device compatibility and some ways of organizing files, but there isn't anything killer about it, like there was with Windows 95 (new UI and lots of new toys), or Windows 2000 (true 32 bit apps, no more DOS shell.) The under the hood bug fixes are appreciated, but Joe User isn't going to upgrade his OS just for that.

    MS needs to stop making products to make this quarter's sales numbers and do some research on stuff that pays off in the longer term.

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    Mircosoft is diversified in enough different markets, consumer, enterprise, and now the carrier space with contracts with the phone incumbents for IPTV. Sure they may lose some space in the PC market, but people have be predicting that for years. Not anthing really new here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    And we all know that ended badly.

    So, MSFT fans, hold onto your F-ing hats.
    Now you're a fanboy. Congratulations.
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    I can see where they're going with that article. It's a Chicken Little.

    Netbooks are a relatively new platform, and they do satisfy the needs for many home and basic users. I even recommend them to some people who have a tight hold on their budget. However, there are a few critical points that they are not considering:


    • Using Windows XP on a netbook offers satisfactory performance, and is still more compelling than Ubuntu at the moment,
    • OS X cannot run on a netbook without a lot of adjustments (though they probably could do it, since they were able to modify OS X for iPhone), and
    • Even if the point above is true, Microsoft has Windows XP for Fundamental PCs, which can be used as a base to create a netbook-compatibile operating system.



    It's expected that their monopoly would wane, considering that many alternatives are available now and are gaining some market momentum. However, it'll be a LONG way and a GREAT innovation before someone lays the stake in that heart.

    I honestly think Ubuntu has a greater chance of overtaking Windows than OS X does, since they can capture the corporate sector easier than Apple will allow themselves to (it is Debian after all). If Apple were to go corporate, that would require a huge culture shift that may not be compatible with their status quo.
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    Also, don't forget that Microsoft also has a monopoly in another market: office products. Windows might go away, but there needs to be a platform that will run Outlook and support Exchange. At this moment, it would take corporations years to migrate to a platform similar to Exchange, with less reliability and probably greater complexity. Let's face it folks; there is no product out there that can compare with the Office Suite. OpenOffice might have been a competitor to Office 2003, but Office 2007 trumps that in spades.

    It's media presence, in the grand scheme of things, is negligible. Microsoft, in my opinion, is a business company, so unless they change their focus a bit, they will never fully understand the media market for what it should be. Which is fine, since the bulk of their revenue stream is safe right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hos13 View Post
    Mircosoft is diversified in enough different markets, consumer, enterprise, and now the carrier space
    Oh no they're not. That's their CORE (hard core) business, and it's broken dude. Just like GM's was in 1988 or so, even though it appeared healthy in many respects.

    Stay tuned. And remember that if somebody told you that GM would be on the bring of going belly friggin up 20 years hence in 1988, they would have told you that you were insane. Here's the difference: it may well be too late for GM. It's certainly not too late for MSFT. But in many ways, MSFT's challenges are far more daunting than GM's were prior to 1990. But I think they can turn this around, they have a lot of smart people at that company, no matter how silly all you Windows boys may be.

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    Are you kidding? Office 2007 SUCKS like no other. I hate it. It's installed on all the computers on campus and I hate using it. I hate the new GUI. It sucks. I hate the auto-formatting. It sucks and it's harder than hell to turn it off. Give me office 97 any day. GOD I hate office 2007.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post

    What's frightening is how coherent Hickey was in posting that.

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    Forget MS Office and X Box. Get real. No Windows OS success, no MSFT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Forget MS Office and X Box. Get real. No Windows OS success, no MSFT.
    Windows can't die without an alternative to Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Access (in that order).

    XBox, on the other hand, is forgettable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickeydog View Post
    Are you kidding? Office 2007 SUCKS like no other. I hate it. It's installed on all the computers on campus and I hate using it. I hate the new GUI. It sucks. I hate the auto-formatting. It sucks and it's harder than hell to turn it off. Give me office 97 any day. GOD I hate office 2007.
    As one senior developer noted, some people need to be dragged "kicking and screaming" into change. Based on many people who've used the platform extensively (myself included), it was a change for the better.

    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
    Windows can't die without an alternative to Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Access (in that order).
    Yup. There's a replacement for that. It's called OpenOffice and it's free.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post

    What's frightening is how coherent Hickey was in posting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickeydog View Post
    Yup. There's a replacement for that. It's called OpenOffice and it's free.
    For home users, it's passable. For corporations, it's a complete tour de fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
    Windows can't die without an alternative to Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Access (in that order).

    XBox, on the other hand, is forgettable.
    So is this year's World Series, if the lowest in 10+ years ratings are any indication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    And we all know that ended badly.

    So, MSFT fans, hold onto your F-ing hats.
    This is what you get when you have business people who don't know much about technology. Microsoft knows that Windows is on the outs. It's an outdated way to compute. The next OS is sitting in the clouds.

    I hope, for your sake, that Steve (Jobs that is) is also taking notice. I'm sure he is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Oh no they're not. That's their CORE (hard core) business, and it's broken dude. Just like GM's was in 1988 or so, even though it appeared healthy in many respects.

    Stay tuned. And remember that if somebody told you that GM would be on the bring of going belly friggin up 20 years hence in 1988, they would have told you that you were insane. Here's the difference: it may well be too late for GM. It's certainly not too late for MSFT. But in many ways, MSFT's challenges are far more daunting than GM's were prior to 1990. But I think they can turn this around, they have a lot of smart people at that company, no matter how silly all you Windows boys may be.
    Really? If I go to the local college, I will see a pretty even distribution of Mac's and PC's. However in the the cooperate world I rarely see Mac's and if I do it is typically at a newspaper or graphic design shop. In the carrier and server market Mac's doesn't exist, where Microsoft does.

    I think OS X is great however as we learned with Betamax the better technology doesn't always win. Don't see many Tuckers around either.

    Oh and I can finally afford APPL stock but not their notebooks
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    So is this year's World Series, if the lowest in 10+ years ratings are any indication.
    I blame FOX
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    Quote Originally Posted by hos13 View Post
    I blame FOX
    Me too. For everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
    since they can capture the corporate sector easier than Apple will allow themselves to
    Incorrect.

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    (it is Debian after all).
    Incorrect.
    This is the Road Cycling forum. Let's keep it that way, OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Me too. For everything.
    good to see we can agree on something.
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    There is one thing though... MS is having competition in every segment now that it plays in, except for Exchange and Active Directory where there is just nothing that can come close. Netbooks are attacking it from the low end of the PC range. From the upper end computers, Macs and OS X. Server side, RedHat, SUSE, and as stated, Ubuntu are rivals.

    Even with devices, Windows Mobile is excellent, but the iPhone has set a price ceiling on those types of devices. Few are going to pay $600 for a phone when they can get something that is popular and has tons of support for $400 at the ceiling.

    Office is also a strong mainstay for MS. Mainly because its the standard, and people buy and use it so they don't run into strange incompatibilities or formatting glitches that occurr sometimes when you import into OpenOffice. Also, you can't push out OpenOffice installs en masse via MOM or other mass tools, which makes MS Office arguably the only game in town for businesses with many machines.

    I think its good MS is pushing into cloud computing, but this is yet another IT "fad" like Javastations, XStations, etc. I don't like cloud computing because of security concerns. When you lose physical possession of critical data, you have to trust completely the cloud provider that they won't have employees that can be bribed or coerced to allow someone to access or modify stuff. Encryption front ends help here, but its better to limit physical access and access methods and have encryption be the last resort of security, protecting the data after the machine falls into the wrong hands.
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    Iphones will be $99 within 6-8 months, and may possibly appear @ Verizon in a CDMA version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    So is this year's World Series, if the lowest in 10+ years ratings are any indication.
    Seriously? I wonder why that is...
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