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    My %#$@&! Lanlord!



    One year ago...

    When I signed the lease for my current home there was a point that was not clear. It said that if the owner wanted to show the house to any potential buyer of future tenant, they could. I talk with the real state agency about this for clarification because I don't have a problem with people coming over to see the house but I work nights and I do need to sleep during the day. They said that they would call first and coordinate the visit. And I was OK with THAT.

    Two weeks ago...

    I found a new house that I like and I decided to move over there. I signed the lease for the new house (I'll get the keys on Nov 20th) and told my current landlord that I was not going to renew my current lease (which ends in Nov 30th). They reminded me that a written notification was required with 30 days notice and that it was mentioned in the contract. I told him that we were aware, and the notification was already in the mail, I was calling to give them the heads up (cuz I'm nice like that).

    This morning...

    I come in from work and there's a "for rent" sign on my yard. They also put some kind of keypad on the front door. I wasn't too happy about it so I call them to remind them that I work nights and they have to call and schedule anything with my wife because I will most likely be sleeping during the day, unless is on my days off... then the guy cuts me off and starts talking back to me with an attitude saying "we can go in whenever we want". I replied that if my wife is not at home I'll probably be sleeping with earplugs installed and wont even hear the doorbell... he cuts me off again and says "if you don't open, we will just enter the house anyway".

    At that point I was already very angry (probably should have hung up right there) and told him:

    "Well, I do sleep naked. If you enter the house and show the room to somebody while I'm sleeping naked in the room we gonna have a problem. I don't see how that can be legal."

    And then I hung up.... I'm pretty pissed off. I'm now heading to the pile of boxes (remember, I'm moving so I'm already packed) to find my copy of the current contract and read what the clause DO say. But again, I'm very... very very pissed off!

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    That sucks. I've heard of leases that, once you give your notice of intent to vacate, give the landlord carte blanch to come in whenever they want. Most landlords will still be cool about working around your schedule, but damn, this guy is being a jerk.
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    Take the device off the door knob. (Remove door knob, remove key thing, put knob back on.)

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    Check renters laws in your state, it'd be extremely out of the norm for a landlord to be able to enter your residence without notice.

    As long as you reside there (depending on your state's laws) you're generally under some pretty specific protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilPhish View Post
    Check renters laws in your state, it'd be extremely out of the norm for a landlord to be able to enter your residence without notice.

    As long as you reside there (depending on your state's laws) you're generally under some pretty specific protection.
    I'm in central Florida... still looking for the darn contract... should be in one of these darn boxes

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    Just put a sign on the door when you want to sleep. What reasonable prospective tenant would want to view the house?

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    go get a few of these prop under the doorknob doorblocker things.

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    Or tell them you keep a loaded gun in the house and it's their neck if they enter with no warning.
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    Some sort of pithy irrelevant one-liner should go here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
    Just put a sign on the door when you want to sleep. What reasonable prospective tenant would want to view the house?
    Good question. I would never go to see a house that still has a tenant in it. It's obvious the tenant is in the middle of a relocation and the house has boxes everywhere. Even worst, take the wife to see a house that's not in top notch condition (knowing how picky wives are when it comes to houses).

    But that's exactly what my first visitor did. Came in with his wife and the real state agency guy. The wife, of course started telling the guy that she "wasn't happy with the carpets". Well, of course, the carpets have like a thousand stains... I have children. I took the opportunity to tell the real state guy:

    "Hey, since you are here, I wanted to ask you if the office was open on Saturdays... cuz you know my lease ends on the 30th, which is a Sunday so I was planning to give you the keys the day before..."

    The prospective tenant's wife, as expected, got mad at the husband for even considering using a real state agency that does this kind of crap to his tenants. "you are aware they are gonna do the same thing to us right? I'm not gonna deal with this them if we decide to move again...". She told hubby...

    I found the copy of my contract but it's almost 1100 and I now have only 5 hours to sleep before I have to go to work again for tonight's 12.5 hour night shift... I'll read it later at work... If I don't fell asleep @ the office that is...

    this sucks...

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    According to this handbook on page 28, a landlord must give you at least 12 hours notice for non-emergency access to your dwelling...

    http://www.floridapirg.org/uploads/L...Rights-2.1.pdf

    It also says that it is reasonable for you to require that he enter only when you are there.

    I would say to try to approach the landlord as calmly as possible (I know you are angry, and rightfully so) but try not to be confrontational... Just say that you will try to be as accommodating as possible, but that you do expect him to comply with state laws, and let him know politely what those laws are.

    If he presses the fact, do let him know politely that you do not consider showing the dwelling an emergency.

    If he refuses to be reasonable, do not get into a shouting match, do consider letting him know you will be contacting legal counsel, and then contact someone who works in defending tenants rights.

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    and when you leave put some fish in the ac vents. wont smell for about a week.

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    In Texas by law, all rental units have to have a deadbolt or other lock operable from the inside only (no master key). That makes this a solved problem in this state, assuming the landlord follows the law.

    Also, start documenting for the exit walkthrough... I have a feeling this landlord will try to find ways to keep your security deposit for very trivial stuff, if he is jacking you around on this stuff.

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    Dark and lonely on the summer night.
    Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
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    Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
    Slip in his window,
    Break his neck!
    Then his house
    I start to wreck!
    Got no reason --
    What the heck!
    Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
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    I am in the same boat as you:
    6 months ago my landlord tells me he wants to raise the rent...
    I ask how much
    he says "you tell me"
    I say I will think about it and talk it over with my wife.
    My wife and I decide to buy a house in the meantime
    around September 3rd I decide to tell my landlord that we are buying a house and I am giving 30 days notice
    he asks me to stay an extra month until November giving him more time to find a new tenant
    I agree figuring that my October 30 closing date might go into overtime anyway and decide to stay till November 29th.
    at this point he tells me that for October and November he wants an extra two hundred dollars a month in rent.
    I say no
    he starts telling me about how he is losing money and heat went up and his mortgage went up and this and that blah blah blah
    I tell him its gone up for everyone not just him
    I tell him I found you a roofer and got your roof fixed because you didnt want to deal with it
    I fixed the toilet
    I repaired the hard wood floor and resurfaced the floors in the whole house
    I fixed the fence and power washed it
    I fixed the kitchen sink, the bathroom ceiling and painted the entire place
    I did the landscaping
    the list goes on
    and now that I'm leaving in two months you want me to pay you 2 hundred extra dollars?
    no!
    then he asks me if I can leave a week early so he can rent the place to the VA hospital down the street...
    I say I would be happy to if I close on my house in time
    he says if you have to stay I want 2 hundred more dollars
    I say no
    it went on for two freaking hours last night
    I don't even have the written lease he was supposed to give us.
    annoying!
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    Little Darwin:

    THX for that info. I did exactly what you suggested and the landlord calmed down a little. We agreed that he will call in the day before and schedule any visits before hand instead of just showing up (as he was supposed to do since the beggining).

    MLTS22:

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure he will try to keep as much as possible from my deposit, over trivial stuff. I'm leaving the house 10 days before the lease ends, to have some time to clean up and fix up everything. I already contracted the ladies that do cleaning at my office, to do an special treatment on the house once I emptied it. They are very good at leaving everything spotless. And I've the cam and video cam ready to document everything.

    JSHARR:

    That door lock thingy is awesome... I'll try to get one tomorrow morning.... thx

    Minesbroken:

    Sory to hear you are having landlord problems too. But congrats on the new house. Home ownership is awesome. Just be carefull not to get into it too much. If we catch you watching too much Home & Garden TV we WILL REVOKE your man card.

    and to the grammar/spelling nazis:

    My spellcheker is messed up so backoff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minesbroken View Post
    I am in the same boat as you:
    6 months ago my landlord tells me he wants to raise the rent...
    I ask how much
    he says "you tell me"
    I say I will think about it and talk it over with my wife.
    My wife and I decide to buy a house in the meantime
    around September 3rd I decide to tell my landlord that we are buying a house and I am giving 30 days notice
    he asks me to stay an extra month until November giving him more time to find a new tenant
    I agree figuring that my October 30 closing date might go into overtime anyway and decide to stay till November 29th.
    at this point he tells me that for October and November he wants an extra two hundred dollars a month in rent.
    I say no
    he starts telling me about how he is losing money and heat went up and his mortgage went up and this and that blah blah blah
    I tell him its gone up for everyone not just him
    I tell him I found you a roofer and got your roof fixed because you didnt want to deal with it
    I fixed the toilet
    I repaired the hard wood floor and resurfaced the floors in the whole house
    I fixed the fence and power washed it
    I fixed the kitchen sink, the bathroom ceiling and painted the entire place
    I did the landscaping
    the list goes on
    and now that I'm leaving in two months you want me to pay you 2 hundred extra dollars?
    no!
    then he asks me if I can leave a week early so he can rent the place to the VA hospital down the street...
    I say I would be happy to if I close on my house in time
    he says if you have to stay I want 2 hundred more dollars
    I say no
    it went on for two freaking hours last night
    I don't even have the written lease he was supposed to give us.
    annoying!
    Pay the $200 and send him a bill!
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    RubenX, check up on the laws on deposits in your state. You may be able to get a walk-through before you move out listing items that needs to be fixed in order to get your full deposit back. As long as you take care of those, you can't be docked for it. Also things like paint and carpeting have wear-and-tear allowances based upon how long you've been there. After a certain number of years, they cannot charge you for re-painting or re-carpeting the entire place.

    FWIW, I've had to take every single landlord I've ever rented from to court in order to get my deposit back. One guy was so bad, his record showed over 253 lawsuits at the time I looked. He settled beforehand outside on the sidewalk and gave me a cheque before our court-date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
    RubenX, check up on the laws on deposits in your state. You may be able to get a walk-through before you move out listing items that needs to be fixed in order to get your full deposit back. As long as you take care of those, you can't be docked for it. Also things like paint and carpeting have wear-and-tear allowances based upon how long you've been there. After a certain number of years, they cannot charge you for re-painting or re-carpeting the entire place.

    FWIW, I've had to take every single landlord I've ever rented from to court in order to get my deposit back. One guy was so bad, his record showed over 253 lawsuits at the time I looked. He settled beforehand outside on the sidewalk and gave me a cheque before our court-date.
    That is something that is commonplace. When my family was in the rental business as landlords, tenants were genuinely surprised when we handed them their security deposit back if the place was in good order. Even the local tenants council put in a good word (which is almost unheard of.)

    Other places, tenants just wrote the security deposit off because they didn't want to deal with small claims court.

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    A former co-worker's apartment building had a fire, and her apartment had a fair bit of smoke damage. The building never cleaned her apartment or repainted even though the manager said it was supposed to be repaired. The co-worker and her family washed as much smoke damage from the walls, floors, and appliances as best as they could once they realized no repairs were going to be done. A year and a half later she notified the building manager that she was moving, and the manager showed up one evening to do a pre-move out inspection.

    Where we live you pay first and last month's rent. It takes a fairly out of the ordinary situation for a tenant to have to pay for damages in an apartment. And it would first have to go before a tribunal. The building manager told my co-worker she had to pay to have the apartment professionally cleaned and repainted. My co-worker laughed in his face. Told him good luck in that endeavour since she had nothing to do with the fire and her apartment had been overlooked when the other smoke damaged apartments had been repaired, and she reported that to the manager when her place was missed.

    It's funny but I can only recall one place where the landlord showed the apartment to prospective tenants before we moved out. Usually the landlord waits until tenants leave so they can repaint and make any repairs so it's easier to get new tenants.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
    RubenX, check up on the laws on deposits in your state. You may be able to get a walk-through before you move out listing items that needs to be fixed in order to get your full deposit back. As long as you take care of those, you can't be docked for it. Also things like paint and carpeting have wear-and-tear allowances based upon how long you've been there. After a certain number of years, they cannot charge you for re-painting or re-carpeting the entire place.

    FWIW, I've had to take every single landlord I've ever rented from to court in order to get my deposit back. One guy was so bad, his record showed over 253 lawsuits at the time I looked. He settled beforehand outside on the sidewalk and gave me a cheque before our court-date.
    In college areas keeping the deposit is standard practice for landlords who
    know 20 people are going to be living in a 1200 sq.ft. property so they make them
    outragiously high.
    I had trouble getting my deposit back on our first apartment in Florida.
    My coworkers thought I was crazy for even assuming a Florida landlord
    would return a deposit. We did get some of it back but it was a ridiculously
    unfair barter situation that wore me out so we just accepted what we could
    to be done with it. I guess landlords want to 'punish' short termers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubenX View Post
    I'm in central Florida... still looking for the darn contract... should be in one of these darn boxes
    Don't worry so much about the contract, go check the state's renter's laws, they can't be superseded by a contract.

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    of course you could always bad mouth the home (not him directly. You don't want to be accused of "slander") while he is showing the place with you in it. If he plans on keeping your security deposit anyway you won't have anything to lose, but you might get some satisfaction out of ruining his day. I know I would, but I am evil like that. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingSabre View Post
    Pay the $200 and send him a bill!
    hell no...it's just principal now...besides I kind of tricked him into signing a letter that says I'm paid in full for november...oops
    shoulda read it pal!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    In Texas by law, all rental units have to have a deadbolt or other lock operable from the inside only (no master key). That makes this a solved problem in this state, assuming the landlord follows the law.

    Also, start documenting for the exit walkthrough... I have a feeling this landlord will try to find ways to keep your security deposit for very trivial stuff, if he is jacking you around on this stuff.

    Is this true? I own several rent houses in TX and none have this.

    ANYWAY, get one of those fake poop looking things and put it on the floor just inside the door. That will get rid of them right quick.

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