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Old 11-07-08, 11:16 AM   #1
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Dry Pet Food and Salmonella in Humans

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Eight new cases of human salmonella infections linked with dry pet food have been reported this year, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Last year, the C.D.C. reported on a Salmonella outbreak in 2006 and 2007 that was traced back to dry dog food. The C.D.C. has identified a total of 79 cases in 21 states, according to the latest Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. The illness was tracked back to an Everson, Penn., pet food plant operated by Mars Petcare US, Inc. The company closed the plant in July.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/1...an-salmonella/

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uuummmm.......okay......you kinda have to wonder why those people were eating pet food to being with....

Now that I read the article, it is possible to get salmonella without eating the food directly....hmmm.....never thought of that.
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uuummmm.......okay......you kinda have to wonder why those people were eating pet food to being with....

Now that I read the article, it is possible to get salmonella without eating the food directly....hmmm.....never thought of that.
Also if you read article you'll see that most humans were under the age of 2.
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Dog food is actually a pretty cheap and complete diet.
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I think I'll stick to my noodles......
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Also if you read article you'll see that most humans were under the age of 2.
Not much earning power at that age, so I could see why they might buy dog food to eat.
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It makes my coat shine.
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Better for when you're walking/cycling in dark areas.
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they also clean plaque and tartar build up.
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Most commercial dog food is crap I wouldn't feed to a dog. These cases are much less frequent in high quality kibbles.
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Most commercial dog food is crap I wouldn't feed to a dog. These cases are much less frequent in high quality kibbles.
True that.....but not everybody can afford the good kibble. When most "good stuff" runs about $40-50 for a 20 lbs bag (and that's for the low-medium grade "good kibble") its hard to afford. I have two 70ish lbs dogs. I can't afford a couple hundred dollars a month for their food (yet).

Of course, that doesn't mean I feed them Ol' Roy either. I get the best commercial stuff I can find (price/quality).
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pet food is really expensive for some reason.
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uuummmm.......okay......you kinda have to wonder why those people were eating pet food to being with....

Now that I read the article, it is possible to get salmonella without eating the food directly....hmmm.....never thought of that.
*cough* I can answer that. Collegiate bender. 'nuff said.
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My dog tears through a 35# sack of kibble in a month. I'd go broke and end up having to eat dog kibble myself if I fed her expensive food.
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Try the less expensive stuff they leave the poop on. Just microwave it for the salmonella though.
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Did you not read what I just posted?

The **** in a bag you buy, dog probably needs to eat 5 or 6 cups a day.

With a super premium, that'll be 3 cups or less. So it costs about the same per day, even though it might be twice as much per lb. As a bonus the dog gets better nutrition, not a bunch of corn and soy protein they can't digest.
"Results indicated that as the level of textured soy protein was increased, the prececal digestion of protein and carbohydrate was reduced from 77 to 71 percent and 80 to 62 percent, respectively."

Hill, R.C. and co-workers. 2001. The effect of textured vegetable protein from soy on nutrient digestion compared to beef in cannulated dogs. J. Animal Sci. 79(8):2162-2171.


That's only a 6% decrease in protein digestion and, specifically regarding the non-digestable carbohydrates in TSP, a 22.5% reduction in carbohydrate digestion (which is accommodated with the addition of rice or other carbohydrate sources*.)
Comparing the nutrient analysis of California Natural to what ASCII currently eats, the kcal/cup are less than 5% different, and the nutritional analysis is within 1.5% on all critical measures (protein, fat, carbohydrate, linoleic acid, etc. If you follow the standard rationale of calories in vs. calories out, she'll need to eat an equivalent amount of $40/20lbs food as she currently does of $25/35lbs.

*the other source is commonly *gasp* corn! It's nothing more than a sugar source, plain and simple.
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Human food is really expensive for some reason.
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dam it, I've lost some weight this past month - now what am I going to nibble on.
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try feeding 7 cats
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To what?
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To what?
It depends on the bioavailability of cats.

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The KIND of beef they use changes the absorbtion, AND it's well known it's one of the least digestable animal proteins for dogs.
I'm interested to know more about this, specifically. Are you talking about cuts vs. extrusion, or one cut vs. another type? I wasn't aware of the canine digestion issues around beef. (Although it makes sense, since in the wild I'm pretty sure dogs aren't taking down cattle.)
I'm actually feeding ASCII Purina's Beneful Original, not Purina One. She grew up on Beneful Puppy formulation, and we switched her over to the Original when she was about 45 pounds. Beneful Original uses chicken by-product meal as the primary protein, which I know is a post-packing extrusion process rather than a prime cut, but at least the primary protein isn't beef or soy.
Now, I've looked into the corn issue and found some more research in the J. Animal Science that shows a 20% decrease in digestability of high amylose corn; but in the same article is mention that amylomaize corn has a similar canine bioavailibility as conventional corn, both of which are high. This is where I'm confused: Amylomaize has a 55% or greater amylopectin content, and most HA hybrids are listed at >55%. In the study, the specific HA amylopectin content was listed at >86%. Where pet foods are concerned using HA hybrid corn extrusions, is 55% considered the average, or is 86% (which is typically a candy, textile and adhesive milled cornstarch)
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I'll stick to canned dog food, thank you very much.
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