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Old 11-07-08, 08:51 PM   #1
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Developing your wine palate…

If you’re of a certain age you probably didn’t grow up in a wine drinking household. Even in college the wines most familiar to me were probably Boone’s Farm and MD 20/20. It wasn’t until I joined the Army after college and was stationed in Germany that I first really learned to appreciate wine. Naturally I cut my teeth so to speak on German white wines and soon I learned to look for “Auslese” on the label. When I first got back to the states I looked for the wines that I had learned to appreciate in Germany and found that they were only available in finer wine stores and rather expensive so I didn’t drink a lot of wine for a while after that. When I moved to Colorado 9 years ago I found that there are many tastey wines here and I’ve been enjoying them ever sense. But one thing that has NOT happened is that my palate has not developed to appreciate the dry wines that the experts say are so good. Good sweet whites are readily available. Sweet reds are harder to find but they are out there. So anybody out there like dry wines? Why? Was it love at first taste or did you develop a taste for it? Here’s a short list of wines that I like:

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Lambrusco (any brand)
Adesso Cagnina di Romanga
Sweet Marsala

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Pacific Rim Sweet Riesling
Hogue Late Harvest White Riesling
Jakob Demmer Riesling Auslese
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Riunite D'Oro
Samos (Greek from Muscat grape)


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I think it's easier to appreciate the big, dry wines if that's where you start out in the first place. The very first wine I drank was a big Cabernet.

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I like a lot of different wines. For whites, I tend to prefer the drier, crisp whites, especially in the summer. I like unoaked chardonnay, pinot gris/grigio, sauvignon blanc. They're good as an apertif or with lighter fare. I generally drink the sweet whites like reisling or gewurztraminer with spicy food like Mexican or Thai.

As for reds, I grill a lot and usually pair spicy reds such as shirz/syrah, tempranillo, or sangiovese with bbq food.

Over the summer I got hooked on rose wines. Trader Joe's had a really nice shiraz rose for about $6.
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Soooo...you must like Cabernet Sauvignon

Did you ever see that billboard that was an advertising campaign for Jägermeister with the guy making this horribly contorted face after doing a shot of Jäger? I make that face with most reds. Too dry, too tanic. And with any Chard. Just yuck! I've actually found myself pouring sugar in those wines to try to make them drinkable. I'd really rather drink Boone's Farm. My palate has a learning disability apparently.
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Soooo...you must like Cabernet Sauvignon

Did you ever see that billboard that was an advertising campaign for Jägermeister with the guy making this horribly contorted face after doing a shot of Jäger? I make that face with most reds. Too dry, too tanic. And with any Chard. Just yuck! I've actually found myself pouring sugar in those wines to try to make them drinkable. I'd really rather drink Boone's Farm. My palate has a learning disability apparently.


Try a lighter red like a merlot or pinot noir. Some of them can be fruity/jammy and they don't have the heavy tannins.
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I like a lot of different wines. For whites, I tend to prefer the drier, crisp whites, especially in the summer. I like unoaked chardonnay, pinot gris/grigio, sauvignon blanc. They're good as an apertif or with lighter fare. I generally drink the sweet whites like reisling or gewurztraminer with spicy food like Mexican or Thai.

As for reds, I grill a lot and usually pair spicy reds such as shirz/syrah, tempranillo, or sangiovese with bbq food.

Over the summer I got hooked on rose wines. Trader Joe's had a really nice shiraz rose for about $6.
Oddly I don't like rose wines even though they tend to be relatively sweet. Most any German Riesling is tastey. With American Rieslings, Washington and Oregon Rieslings are often good. I don't generally care much for California or Australian Rieslings in general. Too dry and acidic and too high an alcohol content with the Australians. I had a delicious Gewurztraminer in a restaurant once but I don't remember what it was and the ones I've tried since have been ok but a bit too dry for my taste.

I don't generally drink wine with food. I prefer to drink wine after dinner and I'm more concerned with whether I like the wine than whether it goes with any particular food.
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Try a lighter red like a merlot or pinot noir. Some of them can be fruity/jammy and they don't have the heavy tannins.
I've had a young Beaujolais that was tastey. But that Adesso Cagnina di Romanga would be hard to beat.
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I've tried it but generally it is too strong. I like to drink a bottle of wine so I prefer a lower alcohol content around 7-9%. Port is around 18% I think and a bottle of that is going to leave a nasty hangover.
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I wonder if its not just the way your palette is?
I prefer dark chocolate- so dark, its bitter and earthy. I also like dark beer, rich espresso, and dry wines. It makes sense to me that these are in a similar range of flavors?
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I've tried it but generally it is too strong. I like to drink a bottle of wine so I prefer a lower alcohol content around 7-9%. Port is around 18% I think and a bottle of that is going to leave a nasty hangover.
What about a malbec? There are some good ones from Argentina.

How about a blended wine? Menage a Troi (Folie a Deux sold at Costco) is pretty fruity.
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What about a malbec? There are some good ones from Argentina.

How about a blended wine? Menage a Troi (Folie a Deux sold at Costco) is pretty fruity.
I haven't heard of those. I suspect I would enjoy a Menage a Troi. I should give that a try. 'Course I'll have to check with my wife first
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I had some awesome wines on election night....didn't go so great with cheezies and doritos but I was so happy I didn't care
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If I develop my wine palate I'll have to spend fifty bucks per bottle. I say thee nay. Box o' Shiraz for me. After a couple glasses it all tastes the same anyway.
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I like a lot of different wines. For whites, I tend to prefer the drier, crisp whites, especially in the summer. I like unoaked chardonnay, pinot gris/grigio, sauvignon blanc. They're good as an apertif or with lighter fare. I generally drink the sweet whites like reisling or gewurztraminer with spicy food like Mexican or Thai.

As for reds, I grill a lot and usually pair spicy reds such as shirz/syrah, tempranillo, or sangiovese with bbq food.

Over the summer I got hooked on rose wines. Trader Joe's had a really nice shiraz rose for about $6.
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What about a malbec? There are some good ones from Argentina.

How about a blended wine? Menage a Troi (Folie a Deux sold at Costco) is pretty fruity.
I just had that (the wine) a few weeks ago. I can second that recommendation.

Malbec is good, too. I really enjoy those.

My favorite would be the Shiraz/Grenache blend by Yellowtail. Inexpensive, yet really tasty. I am also madly in love with Seven Deadly Zins. Wow, what an amazing wine!
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I started out with sweet fruity wines while I was aquiring the taste, I work at a fine dining restuarant so i'm able to try many different ones. I'm a huge fan of full Pinot Noirs, they go great with almost any food you're eating. I was able to try a 900 dollar bottle of Domaine de la Romanée-Conti pinot noir I sold to a table unfortunately the wine was way too young and wasn't very good, i'd be upset if I was the table that bought it!

I haven't tried a wine variatal I don't like so far. Sweet desert wines like ice wine, late harvest or noble rot I find to be better then desert it's self.

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If I develop my wine palate I'll have to spend fifty bucks per bottle. I say thee nay. Box o' Shiraz for me. After a couple glasses it all tastes the same anyway.
Not at all. If you find a good specialist wine shop just about every bottle there will be good, regardless of price. I was surprised to find a great shop in the high rent district that has wonderful wines in the $10-$15 range. If the staff is knowledgeable then they will be able to recommend bottles in your price range to match what you are looking for.
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I wonder if its not just the way your palette is?
I prefer dark chocolate- so dark, its bitter and earthy. I also like dark beer, rich espresso, and dry wines. It makes sense to me that these are in a similar range of flavors?
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This is a wine that a friend of mine imports from Argentina. It's not yet available everywhere, but if you can get it, it's really a very very good wine:

http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy...albec-44042308

Yes, it comes in environmentally friendly packaging, but don't let that fool you. This wine is right up there.

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I just had that (the wine) a few weeks ago. I can second that recommendation.

Malbec is good, too. I really enjoy those.

My favorite would be the Shiraz/Grenache blend by Yellowtail. Inexpensive, yet really tasty. I am also madly in love with Seven Deadly Zins. Wow, what an amazing wine!
Yellowtail shiraz is one of my favorite everyday wines as well (every day for me = <$10/bottle. Company requires the better stuff). If you like a Malbec and have a Trader Joe's nearby, pick up one of their Argentian Malbecs. THE best $5/bottle wile you'll drink.

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I will do that! I've been making it a point to try a different beer every time. I look like an idiot standing in the liquor store reading everything- but I have never seen 90% of the beers here!
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I really like Rosemont Pinot Noir.
It is dry and delicious.

Also I recommend L'Epayrie. Its an inexpensive white
table wine that is quite tasty and a good buy if you
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Oddly I don't like rose wines even though they tend to be relatively sweet. Most any German Riesling is tastey. With American Rieslings, Washington and Oregon Rieslings are often good. I don't generally care much for California or Australian Rieslings in general. Too dry and acidic and too high an alcohol content with the Australians. I had a delicious Gewurztraminer in a restaurant once but I don't remember what it was and the ones I've tried since have been ok but a bit too dry for my taste.

I don't generally drink wine with food. I prefer to drink wine after dinner and I'm more concerned with whether I like the wine than whether it goes with any particular food.
That's a big difference. For after dinner, I like a port or something lighter and/or sweeter. Big fan of the Gewurtraminers.

I think it's a lot easier to "get" certain wines if you're having them with food. French Rhones, Cali Zinfandels and Australian Syraz all match up well with a good steak or lamb chops, but might not be something I'd drink sitting on the back porch. Chilling in the afternoon might call for a Verdejo (another light, slightly sweet wine).

Anyway, it's good to try a wide variety of wines so you know what you like, but at the end of the day you gotta go with what you like.
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Most Americans first taste the sweet whites.. Why.? No idea.. Maybe because wine is not consumed with good to the extent you find in Europe... Its a slow evolution.. But, first you must want to experiment.. Maybe, its because Americans don't let the wines mesh with food. Now, we love the dry reds and consume far less sweet whites.. Maybe, Americans have not discovered the mellow Merlots.A good Merlot can go down quite smooth with a nice mild oakey aftertaste. While if you try too many Syrah red's , They are harsh.. Avoid the harsh reds and seek out the mellow reds. ?. YOu are trying the syrah grapes they can be sort of bitter edged. Do you have any wine tasting clubs in your area. That is where you can learn to experiment.
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Yellowtail shiraz is one of my favorite everyday wines as well (every day for me = <$10/bottle. Company requires the better stuff). If you like a Malbec and have a Trader Joe's nearby, pick up one of their Argentian Malbecs. THE best $5/bottle wile you'll drink.
My favorite malbec of all time is the Bodega Norton that I found, oddly enough, at costco. It's $13/bottle - so a little steep compared to most malbecs, but it's so worth the expense. This is the wine I bring to the BYOB Brazilian Churrascaria in North East Philly I have a little less than a case of it left.

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I will do that! I've been making it a point to try a different beer every time. I look like an idiot standing in the liquor store reading everything- but I have never seen 90% of the beers here!
I stumbled across Rocky Mountan here in Philly, amazingly enough. The beer distributor down the street brought it back from a road trip he took to Colorado. He only had 5 cases of it. Best $40 I ever spent on beer.
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Most Americans first taste the sweet whites.. Why.?
I think its because of the high fructose corn syrup in almost every food we eat. Americans
crave sweets and have regular doses of it daily. Many drinks have sweetners too. So a dry
wine is pretty alien to most people's palates.

Im not a sweet wine hater. I have enjoyed rieslings and ports and will continue in the future.
My main wine choice nowadays is Pinot Noir.

Sweet wines are fine to get familiar with at the start. After some time, its good to start trying
some less sweet stuff. Wine can have some complex flavors- when you taste some, take the
time to try to interpret the flavor. Dont just give up because it doesnt taste like mountain dew.

Lastly, please understand that appreciating a "blush" wine is like taking a mutt to a dog show.
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