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    Taking statistics

    Does this sound like it will be a difficult course?

    Economic Statistics: An introduction to the basic components of statistical analysis necessary for applied economic research. Basic concepts of probability, probability distribution, random sampling, point estimation, internal estimation and hypothesis testing are covered. Special attention is focused on the development of multiple regression analysis.

    This sounds like an introduction to statistics course, but taught in an economic context. Then again, I've never taken a statistics course. How does stats compare to say, calculus? Will it be a time consuming and difficult course?
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    statistics is extremely easy and compares to algebra in complexity
    take it if you never want to learn anything in college
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    If you can handle the calculus, then statistics is a breeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomcow2 View Post
    Does this sound like it will be a difficult course?

    Economic Statistics: An introduction to the basic components of statistical analysis necessary for applied economic research. Basic concepts of probability, probability distribution, random sampling, point estimation, internal estimation and hypothesis testing are covered. Special attention is focused on the development of multiple regression analysis.

    This sounds like an introduction to statistics course, but taught in an economic context. Then again, I've never taken a statistics course. How does stats compare to say, calculus? Will it be a time consuming and difficult course?
    Is there a course number?

    I don't think it would be all that useful in the real world though. Seeing as how economists are always wrong.

    Seriously though, if you're not familiar with the concepts of sampling, and determining what makes a valid analysis, that part of the course might be useful later on in life. The math involved is not going to be that hard.
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    Course # is ECON 202.

    I've actually been putting off Calculus for a while, and so will be taking it while taking this class. It's math five days a week for me . Then in the fall it's Calc 2 and Econ statistics 2 at the same time again.


    I'm glad that stats isn't considered that hard. I was a little worried.
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    The wife has had to do linear regression for forcasts in her current class. It's no fun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    If you can handle the calculus, then statistics is a breeze.
    +1, then again, I slept through and failed calc & did ppoor in stats, so what do I know?

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    I took Psychology Statistics twice. I was drunk the first time.

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    when I was in school Statistics for the Behavioral Sciences was supposed to be the most
    difficult class in the Psych curriculum. I have always hated math, dunno why, I just do.
    I found Stats to be a piece of cake. It made sense, for the first time I could take something
    'real' (my research) and plug it into math and make sense of it.

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    I took stats for engineers after taking calc1 (derivatives), calc2 (integrals), and concurrent with calc3. We had to have calc2 as a prerequisite because there were many integrals in our class.

    Sounds like you have it somewhat easy. Shouldn't be a problem if you did well in algebra2/trig.
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    If Calc isn't required, you are in one of the easier Statistics courses.

    If Calc is required, it can be as difficult as any other math course where you have to apply calculus.

    Usually for the classes that don't require calculus, you will learn the basics, and let the software do the things you would have to do yourself in the more advanced courses... like computing the area under the curve.

    Depending on the focus, you will probably get very good at using a TI-83 calculator, or the software you will be using... But as far as stretching the limits mathematically, you probably won't do much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    If Calc isn't required, you are in one of the easier Statistics courses.

    If Calc is required, it can be as difficult as any other math course where you have to apply calculus.

    Usually for the classes that don't require calculus, you will learn the basics, and let the software do the things you would have to do yourself in the more advanced courses... like computing the area under the curve.

    Depending on the focus, you will probably get very good at using a TI-83 calculator, or the software you will be using... But as far as stretching the limits mathematically, you probably won't do much.
    Yup.

    If you find out the focus of your Econ department, you might be able to figure out what might be in the class.

    Though there are exceptions to the rule:

    Here at UF the research focuses on more micro stuff (pricing, econometrics, some game theory, regulation etc.), so you'd expect more math in the undergrad courses, but that really wasn't the case which pisses me off because math is somewhat necessary to do grad econ stuff and a requirement for doctoral.
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    Low level undegrad stats can be insultingly content free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    Low level undegrad stats can be insultingly content free.
    Nice name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPradun View Post
    I took stats for engineers
    As did I, and we also had to take regular introductory stats. Humongous waste of time/money.

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    Introductory stats is usually taught w/o calculus, unfortunately. Calculus-based statistics makes so much more sense.

    Most people hate stats. It's easy because formulas are derived for you; you just have to memorize them and use the right ones to get the right answers. The formulas will be like algebra. The exception is probability. Some people get it, some people don't, and some people just want the answer.
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    I'm guessing this class will make use of some concepts on calculus, seeing as the description states it's necessity. It sounds like stats is very much "plug and play."
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomcow2 View Post
    I'm guessing this class will make use of some concepts on calculus, seeing as the description states it's necessity. It sounds like stats is very much "plug and play."
    I must have missed this, but I didn't see where in the description that calc was required. My bet is that you won't need anything more advanced than second-year algebra (if that) to do well in this course- it sounds like a basic ugrad stats course taught just about everywhere, but with an econ context. BTW, it's probably a reality that, given the way most ugrad (and even grad) stats is taught that it is "plug and play" and that's really unfortunate. Just like calc, if taught right, a good stats course (even an intro) can change the way you see the world. So, that said, take the course, don't be afraid, and constantly look for ways to get more out of it than the syllabus says you will. You won't be sorry.

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    Oh, It appears I forgot to copy the footnote into my original post. Registration in Calculus 1 or prior completion of the course is required.
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    I never took statistics as its own course in engineering school, but it is probably one of the areas of math I use most frequently. Anything that can be measured to generate a body of data has to be digested into something that means something. Statistics does this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomcow2 View Post
    Oh, It appears I forgot to copy the footnote into my original post. Registration in Calculus 1 or prior completion of the course is required.
    Ah- OK- then you'll probably be going over rates and proportions in more theoretical detail than most ugrad intro stats courses. Even so, not to worry- if you're OK in diff calc and have a little integral calc under your belt, you'll be fine. Actually sounds like it could be a nice course.

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    It sounds like you will get more into the theory and get past the introductory stuff then.

    I was really curious about how much they could give you in two terms if they didn't require calculus. Your first section will probably be mostly the plug-in stuff, and then dig into the details and the why it works later in the first term, and definitely in the second term.

    I took one term that didn't require calc, and then later took the 3 that did for my Statistics minor. Although I am not sure when I will complete the major to get the degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FightingPanther View Post
    statistics is extremely easy and compares to algebra in complexity
    take it if you never want to learn anything in college
    Easy is relative. I think a basic comprehension of stat's is one of the most important things a person can have in today's society...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomcow2 View Post
    I'm guessing this class will make use of some concepts on calculus, seeing as the description states it's necessity. It sounds like stats is very much "plug and play."
    Grrrrrrrrrrr. Stats is not plug-n-play. Just because you can use the software and get an answer doesn't mean you know what you are doing.

    Calculus requirement is often the case, but rarely used. Even graduate-level non majors courses require calculus, but, they don't use it (no derivatives, no integration).

    Any idea what book you'll be using? If so, just look at the book to see how much calculus is going to be used.
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    I took Probability & Statistics, (Stats 200) last semester. Only college algebra was required for this class. (I've had calc II, so was not intimidated by this class.)

    The prof I had was popular, the class was packed full. We got points for turning in perfect homework and could redo it to get it perfect. There was a lot of opportunity for earning extra points. We could bring a formula sheet with anything on it to tests. Some students still failed or barely passed. I got an A and I didn't have to take the final, but I don't think I really learned anything. I learned how to do the problems!
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