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    The Story of Stuff

    Well worth watching and sharing with those you care to.....

    "From its extraction through sale, use and disposal, all the stuff in our lives affects communities at home and abroad, yet most of this is hidden from view. The Story of Stuff is a 20-minute, fast-paced, fact-filled look at the underside of our production and consumption patterns. The Story of Stuff exposes the connections between a huge number of environmental and social issues, and calls us together to create a more sustainable and just world. It'll teach you something, it'll make you laugh, and it just may change the way you look at all the stuff in your life forever."

    http://www.storyofstuff.com/
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    I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

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    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

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    My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
    I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

    Originally Posted by krazygluon
    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

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    Carlin on stuff is also worthy!
    Go raibh an chóir ghaoithe i gcónaí liom!

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    My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
    I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

    Originally Posted by krazygluon
    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

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    Serves well as an opener for "The Corporation"

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    This was hashed out on MetaFilter just over a year ago.

    My reaction (from that site):
    She's a bit of a fanatic. Maybe even a nutter (or maybe just a screaming liberal). And considering [several] misrepresentations presented as facts, the whole thing just doesn't work for me.

    Air this kind of stuff on Nickelodeon though, maybe it'll sink in on the next generation to the point it might make a difference.

    Nah... they like their new technology too much (which means throwing out their old technology).
    Oh... and she's preachy too.
    I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.



    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    Well worth watching and sharing with those you care to.....
    Agreed. I’ve seen it before as another member here has it as a signature. It’s interesting and enlightening, and the lessons of use/reuse/simple living/generate less waste are good, but overall the piece is a tad simplistic. Unregulated corporate and financial institutions are a danger to our well being (as we’ve seen with the latter), but there is, of course, a healthy balance between capitalism and regulation that can benefit us all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    Oh... and she's preachy too.
    Ha. Unlike those on the right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Roads View Post
    Agreed. I’ve seen it before as another member here has it as a signature. It’s interesting and enlightening, and the lessons of use/reuse/simple living/generate less waste are good, but overall the piece is a tad simplistic. Unregulated corporate and financial institutions are a danger to our well being (as we’ve seen with the latter), but there is, of course, a healthy balance between capitalism and regulation that can benefit us all.
    While is may seem that the average joe/jane can't to much to change both gov't and business just
    add a bunch of joe's/jane's up ,that want to go down a different path, and watch'em follow the money
    they have to the "new" paridigm. There IS power in numbers!!

    It time for the tail to stop wagging the dog.
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    I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

    Originally Posted by krazygluon
    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Roads View Post
    Ha. Unlike those on the right?
    I didn't say anything about them either way. But since you asked, I think they're both preachy and totally full of sh*t. She's preachy, but at least her heart is in the right place.
    I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.



    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    This was hashed out on MetaFilter just over a year ago.

    My reaction (from that site):

    Oh... and she's preachy too.
    Does that ^^^^ change the truth in what she's saying?

    Do you have children that you care about?

    Do you care about anything?


    If you answer "NO" to any of these questions your OK
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Her views are extreme. Yes, everyone loves clean air fluffy bunnies but there is a balance to be struck.

    How many iPods have you owned? Just curious.
    I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.



    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    I think they're both preachy and totally full of sh*t.
    Your opinion is noted, though I'm sure you understand one doesn't necessarily require the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    Her views are extreme.
    In the past, it's been shown what may be interpreted as "extreme views" are exactly what are required to overcome our wrong thinking.
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    Overcoming wrong thinking is not as showy as she is. It's simply a question of doing the right thing for yourself and using gentle peer pressure on your friends.
    I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.



    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    It's simply a question of doing the right thing for yourself and using gentle peer pressure on your friends.
    Doing the right thing for yourself is a good start, but it's going to take more than "peer pressure" to address our issues of consumerism and its related negative effects.
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    Maybe, but "move" does not mean "her". Like I said, I'm sympathetic to her cause and she still sounds shrill. And actually, I think peer pressure is EXACTLY what it will take. When frugality is cool, then people will be frugal. The best possible thing in that vein, actually, is the recession that is ongoing. People have had to make decisions about what they can really afford to buy for the first time in a long time.

    You never answered my question about the iPod....
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    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    And actually, I think peer pressure is EXACTLY what it will take... You never answered my question about the iPod....
    Peer pressure will be one small component of what's needed to implement change. Your iPod question looked like it was directed at ilikebikes. In any case, I don't own one.
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    Good answer.
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    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    Her views are extreme. Yes, everyone loves clean air fluffy bunnies but there is a balance to be struck.

    How many iPods have you owned? Just curious.
    A balance?!
    I do own an I Pod (1) that was given to me for X Mas one year, and Im sure I own a bunch of other stuff thats on "the list", doesnt mean Im not worried about the future of our planet just means I have to do a little more listening when someones trying to tell me something Ive changed many things about my life in the past few years that will help to get this planet back to at least an exceptable condition, and I have a long way to go before I can say,"YES!, Im doing all I can!" but it doesnt mean Im going to down someone else for trying!
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    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    That's what I mean by balance. Radical change often creates many more problems than it fixes. Start moving in the right direction, be part of the tide. That's the way to do it.
    I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.



    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    Good answer.
    I'm glad you approve.
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