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Old 12-26-08, 07:02 PM   #26
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Well, with whatever Camera you choose, don't forget that, like in film, the camera and lens are only half of the equation.

With digital photography, you'll want to shoot in raw mode and you'll need a good post processing program. The converstion software that comes with the K20D is among the best converters available. However, it is at best, a difficult program to use and the manual is of little help as it is written in the most ambigous manner.

If you inted to shoot professionally, you'll want to pick up the latest iteration of Adobe Photoshop (not elements) with which to do your photo processing and make sure that you have a good monitor and keep it calibrated. I found the hard way that an uncalibrated monitor can be a bad thing.

Again, I highly recommend the K20D as long as you can live within its limitations. I think you can find them online now for around $799, or less, with the 18-55 kit lens. Pentax does have some very good glass available. the DA* 16-50 had its problems when initially released but most later ones have no problems.

If you'd like to exchange information about the Pentax gear off the forum, feel free to PM me.

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I worked in a camera store for 4 years once upon a time. People would come in for weeks agonizing over which camera to buy. I always just shook my head at all of the time they wasted and wondered what pictures they had missed by holding out. A professor once told me that Ansel Adams could do a better job with a disposable point and shoot camera than an average soccer mom could do with a $10k+ rig. He said photography is in the photographer and not the camera. That's why I'm anxious to get something and start working with it, so I can learn all the quirks and how to work with/around them.
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Old 12-26-08, 07:11 PM   #27
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Wow, very cool. Both the camera, and the offer.

In reading up on that particular model, I kind of want one, now.

Also interesting is that, apparently after the D1, Nikon split the line into the D1X and D1H. While the D1X got the "moar pixels!" treatment, the D1H was actually the same resolution as the D1, but was optimized for faster photography. That's something that wouldn't happen these days, it seems. It's all about cramming as many megapixels into the smallest possible sensor. For example, the Canon G-series are supposedly extremely excellent cameras, except for the low-light noise from using a tiny, yet 14-ish megapixel sensor. Sigh.
I looked around and they can be had inexpensively, which is a little mind boggling. You're right, it can actually hurt image quality by jamming more megapixles into the same amount of real estate. Some of the best pics I ever took were on a 5 megapixel compact/prosumer camera.
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I worked in a camera store for 4 years once upon a time. People would come in for weeks agonizing over which camera to buy. I always just shook my head at all of the time they wasted and wondered what pictures they had missed by holding out. A professor once told me that Ansel Adams could do a better job with a disposable point and shoot camera than an average soccer mom could do with a $10k+ rig. He said photography is in the photographer and not the camera. That's why I'm anxious to get something and start working with it, so I can learn all the quirks and how to work with/around them.

OK, so go ahead and pull the trigger on the K20D. I understand that the Ritz/Wolf store in
Austin has them in stock.

Here is a good place to find glass and accessories. www.pentaxforums.com

See the photographers marketplace.

It's a free membership, BTW. you can buy and sell without having to pay for a membership.

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I've played with a K20D and K200D for about 10 minutes each, I want one badly.

For now, I'll keep rolling with my collection of old Pentax and vivitar film bodies and old glass.
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OK, so go ahead and pull the trigger on the K20D. I understand that the Ritz/Wolf store in
Austin has them in stock.

Here is a good place to find glass and accessories. www.pentaxforums.com

See the photographers marketplace.

It's a free membership, BTW. you can buy and sell without having to pay for a membership.

Best of luck,

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Gracias Ed.
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+1 on the Pentax forum, I don't post, but I read it regularly.
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Interesting that Ravenmore is considering changing nikon to something like pentax. I still (ARG) haven't gotten the d80 I wanted because I decided to used saved money for a trip.. and I realized in all honesty I'm not a huge fan of the color quality of the nikon. No matter how much better the nikon is in technical aspects I really feel that canon and pentax has better color quality. So I was thinking of pentax because I really don't like the feel of canons.
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Interesting that Ravenmore is considering changing nikon to something like pentax. I still (ARG) haven't gotten the d80 I wanted because I decided to used saved money for a trip.. and I realized in all honesty I'm not a huge fan of the color quality of the nikon. No matter how much better the nikon is in technical aspects I really feel that canon and pentax has better color quality. So I was thinking of pentax because I really don't like the feel of canons.
I talked to a freelance photog not long ago who uses only Canon. He said recent Nikon gear, even alot of the really high-end stuff, is aimed more at the consumer market than the pro market. He said Canon equipment is more durable and versatile, and the autofocus is faster and more accurate when it's needed. Not sure what he'd say about Pentax, but in my limited experience it seems sometimes that Canon and Pentax may offer more bang for the buck than Nikon. It's also hard to ignore all the Pentax glass that's out there. But camera choice is like so many other things in that it's personal.

Like Ravenmore, I'd love to have a photographic sideline doing engagement shots, landscapes, etc. But my equipment is a hodge-podge of older stuff and I wonder how well that would work. Right now, there's no money in the budget for upgrades or additions.
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Old 12-27-08, 11:52 PM   #34
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I have been using the Pentax k10d for the last couple of years... I have been a fan of Pentax stuff all the way back to HS photo and my trusty K1000 and ME Super. I used the Pz1P when it was the top of their line and I sold my 645II stuff to fund the move to digital. I think that compared to other cameras in the price range, once again you get WAY more camera for your buck than either Nikon or Cannon. However, folks have brought up some great points.. Lens availability is frustrating at time. I just recently purchased a Tamron 70-200 f2.8 that has been outstanding. The Sigma 50-500 is a total waste of money. The Pentax 12-24 f4.0 has produced some great landscapes for me and the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 is a steal. If I had to pick two lenses to start with I would go with the two Tamrons for their speed and versatility. I will not lie to you,, for the same reasons I switched to 645 format, I have had my eye on a full frame DSLR and the new generation of Cannon and the new Sony have been singing their tempting melody. Usually when that occurs it is only a matter of time before I give in.
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Heh - I found a steal of a deal on, of all freaking things, a D80. Lol. Its almost too good to pass up. Its $200 less than what I SOLD my D80 for used. The Pentax is a better camera, but would be $300 more. Is it $300 better? IMO probably not. I have to watch expenses right now too.

Btw - photographed a band last night. I borrowed a friends D50 with 50mm 1.8:








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Was that hand held, or did you use a tripod? Nice captures by the way...really like them....
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The Pentax 12-24 f4.0 has produced some great landscapes for me

Love that lens, great for nighttime architecture...looking into the pentax 50mm 1.8 as well.
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Was that hand held, or did you use a tripod? Nice captures by the way...really like them....
Gracias - hand held. I just put the camera on shutter priority and ignored it when it warned me about under exposure. With flashing spotlights its nearly impossible to rely on metering. I should've used a higher shutter speed though.
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re-uploaded everything to photobuck with the proper resolution.
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fyi - the camera really showed some mojo this past weekend. I was asked to photograph a band at a bar I had never been to. The place was a complete dungeon, but due to the unique features of being able to shoot at 3200 ASA (on a near 15 megapixel sensor) and having the anti shake mechanism (and a f2.8 lens), I was able to get a large number of acceptable shots. A lot of other cameras out there don't go to 3200 ASA and/or don't have anti-shake. Lack of either would have sunk the whole evening.
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