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    Geek/IT question

    Since I graduated with the CS degree, and have time on my hands until I find some employment (hopefully using it), I am trying to figure out something:

    Should I bother getting OS X certified as opposed to spending my time getting MCP/MCSE/MCA certifications? I have other UNIX certifications (AIX, and Solaris), but I wondering if its worth going for OS X or OS XS.

    I am mainly wanting to focus on less of a jack of all trades, but spending time with an OS and some apps (Oracle, SQL Server, Exchange), as a way to better myself in this arena.

    Thanks for any responses... just trying to figure out where to aim my free time.

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    Sounds like you are looking to get in to IT. Why would you do IT work with a CS degree. You should be going for higher aspirations like a software engineer or something. I wouldn't bother with any of those certifications.
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    ^^^hahahahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    Sounds like you are looking to get in to IT. Why would you do IT work with a CS degree. You should be going for higher aspirations like a software engineer or something. I wouldn't bother with any of those certifications.
    Its not that I'm looking to get in. I have been in the field for a while. I have had over 10 years of experience in the field, mainly on the UNIX side of the house. However, I have a large, multi-year gap in my resume while I went to school, and some medical reasons (which are not an issue now.) Things do change, and even the die-hard UNIX admins must be fluent with Windows. In a lot of organizations, AD and OpenLDAP have replaced NIS, and Samba/CIFS have replaced NFS as protocols of choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    ^^^hahahahahah

    One word... Offshoring
    Even worse in the IT field.
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    if you like IT, you should shoot for system/network administrator, it's the one IT job that pays a lot and can't be offshored because big companies will always keep a handful of admins on site all the time.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    ^^^hahahahahah

    One word... Offshoring
    Here is another: Satyam

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    The CS/IT divide is always fun. I'm in an IST (future IT guy) program, willingly, but it's almost all coding. Nothing wrong with that, but it's odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    Even worse in the IT field.
    You can't offshore people who actually have to be here. Not all IT work is helpdesk stuff. You still need people to do installation, maintenance, and so on.

    Engineering, on the other hand... phew...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    You can't offshore people who actually have to be here. Not all IT work is helpdesk stuff. You still need people to do installation, maintenance, and so on.

    Engineering, on the other hand... phew...
    that would be the system admin
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    Don't forget netadmin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEO View Post
    that would be the system admin
    +1. That would be me, too.

    *gets up and glances down the hall at server room door*

    But back to the topic of the thread, I got a Sun cert once upon a time... when I worked at Sun. Everything else has been OJT. I have been spending lots of time with Oracle lately, because my boss is the DBA and that's what we run here.

    Also: Mac OS X certification? Please. Do people get OS X certs? It's probably cheaper to buy a Mac Mini and play with it for a few weeks.
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    mac repair technician is roughly a $12~15/hr job.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    If anything, Cisco and Oracle are pretty good things to learn. Oracle if you want to stay in computers, Cisco if you want to dabble in the network.
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    The advice is very good. I've mainly been a jack of all trades, doing pretty much what companies or organizations need. The work has mainly been an admin capacity, so I'd be more focused on making sure that Oracle DB containers are backed up and the performance graphs are happy as opposed to writing stored procedures and triggers in SQL+. Same with Transact SQL and MS SQL server (or Sybase.)

    It was tempting to see about an OS X cert, but it looks like my time is best spent getting the MS stuff... not because I don't know the basics, but because it justifies my existance in a company to upper line managers whom don't see day to day skill and rely on pieces of paper to gauge ability.

    As for outsourcing, core IT services are as hard to outsource out of the country as electricial, HVAC, and plumbing work. You have to have an admin physically onsite (employee or contractor), even if the core IT staff answers its support tickets in Hindi.

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    learn basic economics first. Supply and demand. SQL, Exchange, Network Admin are basically commodity skills. It is tough to differentiate yourself amongst the pack.

    You need to pick a niche that has a low supply of resources and a high demand for those resources. Niche products, cutting edge technology, etc.

    Some examples:

    Cloud computing or grid computing
    ERP application administration (JD Edwards)
    Documentum implementation or other Records management
    Sarbox compliance and auditing tools
    Homeland security applications (Denied party list management)

    Don't run with the pack or you will get paid like the pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    Since I graduated with the CS degree, and have time on my hands until I find some employment (hopefully using it), I am trying to figure out something:

    Should I bother getting OS X certified as opposed to spending my time getting MCP/MCSE/MCA certifications? I have other UNIX certifications (AIX, and Solaris), but I wondering if its worth going for OS X or OS XS.

    I am mainly wanting to focus on less of a jack of all trades, but spending time with an OS and some apps (Oracle, SQL Server, Exchange), as a way to better myself in this arena.

    Thanks for any responses... just trying to figure out where to aim my free time.
    You know, that might not be a bad idea. If I had to guess, I'm sure that there are less OS X certified professionals out there compared to the MCSE cats.

    As an aside, if you're interested in networking, I think having a Cisco certification is pretty important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AEO View Post
    if you like IT, you should shoot for system/network administrator, it's the one IT job that pays a lot and can't be offshored because big companies will always keep a handful of admins on site all the time.
    Sysadmins get paid??? Where?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
    Sysadmins get paid??? Where?!
    I've never really met a sysadmin that did anything more than occasionally backup the database (swap tapes, press button) or reclone a computer. they let a 3rd party technician do all hardware/bios fixing jobs.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    I thought that sysadmins make very little relative to what they are supposed to be doing....
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    do you know how to operate a 64bit PCI-X RAID card through it's BIOS?
    particularly setting up RAID arrays?
    cause I was the 3rd party guy who had to do that...
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    To be honest, I've never set up a RAID before because I've never had the need.
    Once the need arises, I'm sure I can learn soon enough.

    System administrators shouldn't need to worry about hardware issues and basic operating system work (unless he or she is understaffed or is *the* IT guy). Sysadmins should make sure that he/she has a understanding of the systems good enough to be able to keep it running smoothly at all times. The amount of responsibility which is required to do that, I would think, mostly depends on staffing. If there is a large support staff, then I would think that the system administrator will only need to make sure that the systems are running smoothly on the top-level (which can go from no work at all to a huge and overbearing problem very, very quickly). Conversely, the system administrator might also have to be the technician and solve issues at a hardware-level as well.

    I run an email server at home, and I have had to do practically nothing since it went live as far as administering it. I did have to re-install the OS because of a hardware change, but it's extremely stable and, so far as I can see, secure enough to not be a worry. Re-installing the OS and re-configuring the mail server, however, took several days and late nights because of incompatibilities and other crap that kept surfacing. (I tried to change the login schema, but my LDA didn't like it and wouldn't route to the correct mailboxes.)
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    the main database PC had a failed RAID card, and it had to be swapped, but the original setup wasn't transferable because the model/make was different.

    I'm pretty sure the sysadmin had to restore all the data after I setup the card.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Why would the sysadmin have to restore data already stored on the hard drives due to a failed RAID controller? If the system uses Unix or Linux, then at most I would think that re-configuration of the controller and mount points would be necessary...

    Unless data was corrupted during transfer...
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    new card that the OS was on = win2k server doesn't know wtf is going on = reinstall.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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