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Old 01-22-09, 10:29 AM   #1
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Neighbors refuse to share in snow shoveling.

So my wife and I are tenants in a 2 family. Our lease (and our neighbors lease) states that we are responsible for sharing the shoveling of the driveway we share and the sidewalk and front and back steps. Sounds simple, right? Well, this year, our upstairs neighbors have decided not to shovel. They've given us some cockamimie story in passing that the wife has a bad back and the husband a pulled shoulder (lets just say we doubt their story). We had a few heavy snowstorms and my wife shoveled 3 days in a row while they peeked from the windows every once in a while (I was away travelling). The next snowstorm I was home so I waited a bit after the storm to see whether they would do anything. When they didn't, I went out and shovelled the driveway (large driveway), sidewalk and front and back steps.

I called the landlord and complained and he said that he would talk to them diplomatically. It seems that he doesn't want to rock the boat. The next snowstorm, I didn't do anything and after some time they both came out and shovelled (apparently, their physical ills miraculously dissapeared).

The next snow, I calculated it was their turn (We'd shovelled at least 3-4 times and they had only done the one). They didn't do anything and on the third day when one of them had to go somewhere (it was a long weekend), she came down and tried to drive over the snow and got stuck on the huge pile of snow at the entrance to the driveway. So she got the shovel, dug herself out and then went on her merry way, leaving everything untouched. So I got frustrated, came out and shoveled the driveway but left the sidewalk and front steps unshoveled. So its been some time and the sidewalk is still covered in snow. I don't want to be 'that house' that doesn't shovel its sidewalks so I may just shovel it. The next step is to have a sit down with them and have a talk. However, I don't have much hope for any progress.

The thing is, there are people around who will shovel everyting for $30. I feel that if they are incapable of shoveling, at least hire someone for their turns or have the decency to talk to us rather than mumble some lame excuse as you rush to your car that you can now drive after my wife has just shovelled for 4 hours. Or get their grandniece who is always around (stays over some nights and even comes to do her laundry) who is in her twenties do some shoveling. This is a couple I am guessing in their late forties early fifties who have no disabilities so this attitude dumbfounds us.

So, if this meeting produces nothing, and it seems our landlord is unwilling to do anything (despite the fact that their lease obligates them to share the shoveling), what are our options besides moving?
We love our apartment, our landlord, apart from this issue, has been great. We don't want to be 'that house' but at the same time I resent our neighbors shirking their responsibilities and living off the sweat of our labor.
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advise your neighbor that you will henceforth have someone shovel, pay the $30, then bill the neighbor (don't forget to include a copy of the lease or pertinent portion, or written statement from the landlord)?

(i feel for you; no reason to shirk one's duty and be a good neighbor)
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Does the unit have a 2 car garage (you park on one side, they on the other)? If so, shovel your half of the driveway.

Shovel every other stair.
Clear 3' of sidewalk, then leave 3' unshovelled; repeat pattern down the whole walkway.
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Does the unit have a 2 car garage (you park on one side, they on the other)? If so, shovel your half of the driveway.

Shovel every other stair.
Clear 3' of sidewalk, then leave 3' unshovelled; repeat pattern down the whole walkway.
No, thought about that. It has side by side parking but the entrance to the driveway is single lane. So if I want to get out I have to essentially shovel the whole driveway.

I like the shovel every other stair idea
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Way to get wound up over trivial nonsense.

Quit being a baby, shovel the snow, and bask in the smug warmth of being right.
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advise your neighbor that you will henceforth have someone shovel, pay the $30, then bill the neighbor (don't forget to include a copy of the lease or pertinent portion, or written statement from the landlord)?

(i feel for you; no reason to shirk one's duty and be a good neighbor)
The problem is that the landlord is being wishy-washy and that would leave me on questionable legal ground. I am searching city ordinances as we speak to see what it states.
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Way to get wound up over trivial nonsense.

Quit being a baby, shovel the snow, and bask in the smug warmth of being right.
And way to waste my time. I asked a valid question, if you don't have a productive answer, then kindly refrain from responding.
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does the unit have a 2 car garage (you park on one side, they on the other)? If so, shovel your half of the driveway.

Shovel every other stair.
Clear 3' of sidewalk, then leave 3' unshovelled; repeat pattern down the whole walkway.
+1.
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Won't work, see previous response.

But even then, even though I rarely use the front steps and sidewalk it is an abrogation of responsibility and good neighborliness to leave pedestrians to fend for themselves in knee high snow.
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See if you can pick up a snowblower for cheap on CL, and become "that guy". The one who fires up the snowblower at 5am, even on the weekend.
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See if you can pick up a snowblower for cheap on CL, and become "that guy". The one who fires up the snowblower at 5am, even on the weekend.

Just might consider that. How much does a good snow-blower cost?
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$100-$2000. 'bout the price of a bike.
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Ask the landlord to raise their rent, and to give it to you for shovelling......

By the way, I shovel 7 older neighbors drives and walks........ just because they have always been good neighbors, and are unable to do it themselves. I'm 62.
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This snow stuff is a pain in the neck for you guys.....
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The snow blower should be properly fitted with glass-packs.

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OMG YES! But make it 4 AM! and take you time! Be sure to take plenty of breaks, and be sure to park the Snow Blower by their window and DO NOT shut it off! PLEASE post a link with a video if you do this! This is great! CliftonGK1
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So my wife and I are tenants in a 2 family. Our lease (and our neighbors lease) states that we are responsible for sharing the shoveling of the driveway we share and the sidewalk and front and back steps. Sounds simple, right? Well, this year, our upstairs neighbors have decided not to shovel. They've given us some cockamimie story in passing that the wife has a bad back and the husband a pulled shoulder (lets just say we doubt their story).
Tell them that's fine and that you will handle their half of the duties, and then provide them your hourly rate.
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your neighbours suck

how about shovelling just one shoulder's width and just the tracks width for the cars?
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Won't work, see previous response.

But even then, even though I rarely use the front steps and sidewalk it is an abrogation of responsibility and good neighborliness to leave pedestrians to fend for themselves in knee high snow.
Some folks don't abide by the social contract.

Vengeance is your only recourse.

but if you do choose the path of vengeance, you must say carefully,

"No...no, you can't get away...from hell's heart, I stab at thee...for hate's sake, I spit my last breath...at thee..."

or it doesn't count.
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Ask the landlord to raise their rent, and to give it to you for shovelling......

By the way, I shovel 7 older neighbors drives and walks........ just because they have always been good neighbors, and are unable to do it themselves. I'm 62.
Hi Wanderer

I did that with some previous neighbors because they were good neighbors and couldn't do it.

I guess what riles me is feeling that we are being taken advantage of. Also, when we moved in they did something really shady that set the tone.

Our landlord bought brand new washer/dryer for us. They also had an older washer and dryer of a different make/model. So I used what I thought was our new washer and they left a nasty note on it stating that 'This washer belongs to us, don't use it etc etc'. So I begun using the older washer. It didn't make sense but I said 'hey landlord must have made a mistake'

Later, I raised it with the landlord who was very surprised and stated that no, the new washer/dryer (same model) were ours. So when we confronted the neighbors they said that at some point they had bought the same exact washer and they though it was the same one but that their son must have taken it out of the basement (their story made absolutely no sense).

And then there's their noisy grandniece who clomps around, has her friends over and throws noisy parties.

So essentially, I guess if this was a neighbor whom I respected and liked and who respected us this wouldn't be such an issue. At the end of the day, its just physical labor and we are lucky to be healthy and able to do it.
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This snow stuff is a pain in the neck for you guys.....
Yeah, tell me about it.

Let me guess, you're somewhere where it doesn't snow.

bastid I envy you.

Yeah, at some point a move West to warmer climes is mandated.
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clearly they are picking for a fight. maybe they have an -ism issue.
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Shovel all the snow behind, around, and on top of their car.
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