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    W-4 withholding

    Quick question.

    Now that I'm married I'm going through some online changes at work for beneficiaries, insurance benefits (adding wife), etc....

    W-4 withholding....do they withhold more when you are married or single? I want to keep the option where they withhold the most.
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    Yes they withold less (edit, sorry I read wrong first time) for married

    Use this to compute the amounts

    http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...=96196,00.html
    Last edited by StanSeven; 01-30-09 at 02:32 PM.
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    Single with 0 dependents. Additional withholding can be added to help alleviate the need for estimated tax payments, should you have sufficient external income sources.

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    Just keep your withholding as Single and 0. That will take the most from your paycheck.
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    Single will withold more than married.

    If your wife works also, you should talk to whoever prepares your return this year and ask how you should withhold.

    I've seen more than one couple shocked the first year they end up paying even if they both claim single O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Law View Post
    Single will withold more than married.

    If your wife works also, you should talk to whoever prepares your return this year and ask how you should withhold.

    I've seen more than one couple shocked the first year they end up paying even if they both claim single O.
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    Yea it kind of makes sense too though. If you are married you probably have more things to pay for and are more pressed for cash. If you are single, why not give it all to the government? They will spend it correctly for you. Oh and uh,.., I'm single. Not married but I have a gf. We both give all our money to the government

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    Ok, thanks all. Single is what I was 90% sure, I just wanted to have confirmation.
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    My compnay's W4 is filled out online and has the option for married but withhold as single, I always thought that was the best way to word it makes it nice and clear

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    Actually the best way to work it is have jsut enough witheld to equal your taxes in SApril
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    Actually the best way to work it is have jsut enough witheld to equal your taxes in SApril
    incorrect...the best way is to owe uncle sam at file date....that way you have kept your money and recieved interest or other return on that money. Otherwise, you are making a 0% interest loan to uncle sam. This of course assumes that you have paid enough to avoid penalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    incorrect...the best way is to owe uncle sam at file date....that way you have kept your money and recieved interest or other return on that money. Otherwise, you are making a 0% interest loan to uncle sam. This of course assumes that you have paid enough to avoid penalties.
    Financially I agree. Emotionally I disagree because I get so upset writing that check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    incorrect...the best way is to owe uncle sam at file date....that way you have kept your money and recieved interest or other return on that money. Otherwise, you are making a 0% interest loan to uncle sam. This of course assumes that you have paid enough to avoid penalties.
    In theory that's great. I had a girlfriend years ago (accountant) who talked me into the logic and I changed it to withhold less. What happens in real life? Not enough is withheld and you end up owing at tax time.

    Will I miss that extra $25 in a pay check that I don't see? Probably not. If I had that extra $25 in a pay check would I be diligent enough to put it in the bank and collect interest? Probably not.

    I'd rather give uncle Sam the 0% interest loan and get money back at the end of the year (even if it is MY money).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    In theory that's great. I had a girlfriend years ago (accountant) who talked me into the logic and I changed it to withhold less. What happens in real life? Not enough is withheld and you end up owing at tax time.

    Will I miss that extra $25 in a pay check that I don't see? Probably not. If I had that extra $25 in a pay check would I be diligent enough to put it in the bank and collect interest? Probably not.

    I'd rather give uncle Sam the 0% interest loan and get money back at the end of the year (even if it is MY money).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    incorrect...the best way is to owe uncle sam at file date....that way you have kept your money and recieved interest or other return on that money. Otherwise, you are making a 0% interest loan to uncle sam. This of course assumes that you have paid enough to avoid penalties.
    Of course.

    If you have to owe at 4/15, it's no big deal. Even if you have to pay a small penalty.

    Unless you were expecting a refund and already had it spent.

    I literally have seen people get histerical crying or couples go berzerk fighting when this occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    incorrect...the best way is to owe uncle sam at file date....that way you have kept your money and recieved interest or other return on that money. Otherwise, you are making a 0% interest loan to uncle sam. This of course assumes that you have paid enough to avoid penalties.
    Be really really careful. If you owe too much (more than $1000, if I remember), you get hit with interest and penalties on under-withholding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    Be really really careful. If you owe too much (more than $1000, if I remember), you get hit with interest and penalties on under-withholding.
    did you see the last sentence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    did you see the last sentence?
    Yes, I did.
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    I think in order to avoid a penalty, you need to do (at least) one of these
    • Owe less than $1000
    • Pay as much as you did in 2007
    • Pay 90% of your 2008 obligation
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    On W2 income, they don't care how balanced the payments are (unlike 1099 income). So, if you really want to play the game, figure out which one of the three above is best for you and pay all of your obligation toward the end of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    Quick question.

    Now that I'm married I'm going through some online changes at work for beneficiaries, insurance benefits (adding wife), etc....

    W-4 withholding....do they withhold more when you are married or single?
    I want to keep the option where they withhold the most.
    ughh. Too many people do this. Why not set up an automatic deposit into a savings / investment account. Use the money to get interest for yourself, not the government. Yes, over the years it can add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    In theory that's great. I had a girlfriend years ago (accountant) who talked me into the logic and I changed it to withhold less. What happens in real life? Not enough is withheld and you end up owing at tax time.

    Will I miss that extra $25 in a pay check that I don't see? Probably not. If I had that extra $25 in a pay check would I be diligent enough to put it in the bank and collect interest? Probably not.

    I'd rather give uncle Sam the 0% interest loan and get money back at the end of the year (even if it is MY money).
    Too all the people that say take the money, I say come February when I get a couple of grand back.

    Show me the money!!!!!

    They can't.

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    Why do you want extra money withheld? Withholding too much is just giving the government an interest-free loan for the year. However, withholding too little may make you liable for a penalty. There's no penalty if you've paid in at least as much as your tax liability for the previous year, though.

    Not enough is withheld and you end up owing at tax time.
    That's a good thing, as long as you don't get into the penalty situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomson View Post
    I think in order to avoid a penalty, you need to do (at least) one of these
    • Owe less than $1000
    • Pay as much as you did in 2007
    • Pay 90% of your 2008 obligation
    .
    On W2 income, they don't care how balanced the payments are (unlike 1099 income). So, if you really want to play the game, figure out which one of the three above is best for you and pay all of your obligation toward the end of the year.

    Technically, they can charge a penalty if the earnings were throughout the entire year and you waited till the Q4 estimate, but they usually don't. If you try to play real hardball with an auditor, they can be real a-holes and start looking for stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post

    Technically, they can charge a penalty if the earnings were throughout the entire year and you waited till the Q4 estimate, but they usually don't. If you try to play real hardball with an auditor, they can be real a-holes and start looking for stuff like that.
    FTR, I don't play that game, I do the estimated and deductions legitimately. I sleep better.

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