Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Foo Off-Topic chit chat with no general subject.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-30-09, 05:39 PM   #1
patentcad
Peloton Dog
Thread Starter
 
patentcad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chester, NY
Bikes: 2013 Scott Foil, 2014 Scott Addict, 2008 Cervelo P3 (TT), 2015 Scott Scale 700SL MTB
Posts: 59,432
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
My next car.

2010 Honda Insight Hybrid. The press boys got their hands on one and it got written up in the new Road & Track. EPA mpg estimates are going to be 40 city/43 highway, but the Road & Track writer saw 54 mpg the other journalists all consistently got 55-65+ mpg, with one guy getting 70 mpg. Wow. If the car can deliver that and is reasonably comfortable/safe and comes in at the projected MSRP of <$22K, they will sell a ton of those bad boys. That will put huge sales pressure on the Prius, which strikes me as pricey, even though Toyota reportedly makes very little or loses money on the car at the moment.

A 5 passenger hatchback that gets 55 mpg? That's off the hinges. That's similar fuel economy to a smaller engine motorcycle (500-800cc).

patentcad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:42 PM   #2
AEO
Senior Member
 
AEO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: A Coffin Called Earth. or Toronto, ON
Bikes: Bianchi, Miyata, Dahon, Rossin
Posts: 12,258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
or similar fuel economy to a VW lupo, hatch back diesel which gets up to 78mpg.
__________________
Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm
AEO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:44 PM   #3
x136 
phony collective progress
 
x136's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Hoosey
Bikes: http://velospace.org/user/36663
Posts: 2,981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I liked the old Insight, really. Not so much the hybrid drivetrain, but the neo-CRX styling, two doors, two seats, and small exterior were pretty neat. Unfortunately, I'm one of the few, and it died a sad, lonely death.

I just can't get over how much the new Insight looks like a badge-engineered Prius. I doubt it is, but geez.
__________________
x136 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:44 PM   #4
Grumpy McTrumpy
gmt
 
Grumpy McTrumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Binghamton, NY
Bikes:
Posts: 12,431
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
I wonder what the battery bank costs to replace
Grumpy McTrumpy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:45 PM   #5
ehidle
T-Shirt Guy
 
ehidle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Lansdale, PA
Bikes: 2005 Fuji Team Issue, 2007 Fuji SL-1
Posts: 464
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
I wonder what the battery bank costs to replace
I wonder how much damage the manufacture of the battery bank does to the environment. Nickel smelting is a dirty proposition.
__________________
Yellow + Blue Jerseys!

Get your Cranky T-Shirt!
Men's
and Women's designs available
ehidle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:52 PM   #6
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Bikes: http://www.theheadbadge.com
Posts: 22,744
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Motorized egg on wheels!

(Whoops - thought this was the like/dislike thread )

-Kurt
__________________
cudak888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:53 PM   #7
LP560
:-)
 
LP560's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 33
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
rather get something like a honda fit
LP560 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:53 PM   #8
gnome 
shaken, not stirred.
 
gnome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Shaky Isles.
Bikes: I've lost count.
Posts: 2,960
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Very cool. That is much more stylish than your fugly SUV.

By the time I can afford to buy one, it'll be about 20years old.
__________________
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. ~Mark Twain, "Taming the Bicycle"
vBulletin: snafu
gnome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:54 PM   #9
AEO
Senior Member
 
AEO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: A Coffin Called Earth. or Toronto, ON
Bikes: Bianchi, Miyata, Dahon, Rossin
Posts: 12,258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
must be what... $50,000 NZD?
__________________
Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm
AEO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:55 PM   #10
bigbenaugust 
derailleurs are overrated
 
bigbenaugust's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: KIGX
Bikes: 2009 Fantom CX, 2012 Fantom Cross Uno, Bakfiets
Posts: 1,980
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LP560 View Post
rather get something like a honda fit
+1. Have an '08 (well, it's the family car and the wife drives it 99% of the time) and it is awesome.
__________________
--Ben
Carrboro Bike Coalition - putting the "bike" in "CARrboro" :)
2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
Non-Bike hardware: openSUSE Leap - LinuxMint Debian Edition 2 - Mac OS 10.6 - Android 4.4 - CyanogenMod 13
bigbenaugust is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 05:58 PM   #11
patentcad
Peloton Dog
Thread Starter
 
patentcad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chester, NY
Bikes: 2013 Scott Foil, 2014 Scott Addict, 2008 Cervelo P3 (TT), 2015 Scott Scale 700SL MTB
Posts: 59,432
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
The Honda Fit is good for 30-35 mpg. I like the new Insight because it's slightly larger. But it will be a Fit, Civic or Insight. I'd like to keep it as close to or under $20K as possible.
patentcad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:03 PM   #12
x136 
phony collective progress
 
x136's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Hoosey
Bikes: http://velospace.org/user/36663
Posts: 2,981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Really, If anyone can build something like this for around twenty grand, I wouldn't be surprised for it to be Honda.
__________________
x136 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:06 PM   #13
ehidle
T-Shirt Guy
 
ehidle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Lansdale, PA
Bikes: 2005 Fuji Team Issue, 2007 Fuji SL-1
Posts: 464
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by x136 View Post
Really, If anyone can build something like this for around twenty grand, I wouldn't be surprised for it to be Honda.
Yeah, it definitely helps to have no lower limit to quality when trying to achieve a cost target.
__________________
Yellow + Blue Jerseys!

Get your Cranky T-Shirt!
Men's
and Women's designs available
ehidle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:06 PM   #14
Lamplight
Senior Member
 
Lamplight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Bellingham, WA
Bikes:
Posts: 2,772
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by x136 View Post
I liked the old Insight, really. Not so much the hybrid drivetrain, but the neo-CRX styling, two doors, two seats, and small exterior were pretty neat. Unfortunately, I'm one of the few, and it died a sad, lonely death.
Nah, you weren't the only one, I liked it too. I even thought it was pretty ugly, but for some reason I liked it. Maybe because I also owned a CRX. Best car I ever had, without question.
Lamplight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:08 PM   #15
gnome 
shaken, not stirred.
 
gnome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Shaky Isles.
Bikes: I've lost count.
Posts: 2,960
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by AEO View Post
must be what... $50,000 NZD?
Despite our peso's worth, it will probably be only mid $40,000s here. We have an unregulated market and get shiploads of used Japanese imports every year. It won't take long before someone brings in a few and sells them cheaper than whatever the list price will be.
__________________
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. ~Mark Twain, "Taming the Bicycle"
vBulletin: snafu
gnome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:10 PM   #16
gnome 
shaken, not stirred.
 
gnome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Shaky Isles.
Bikes: I've lost count.
Posts: 2,960
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by x136 View Post
I liked the old Insight, really. Not so much the hybrid drivetrain, but the neo-CRX styling, two doors, two seats, and small exterior were pretty neat. Unfortunately, I'm one of the few, and it died a sad, lonely death.

I just can't get over how much the new Insight looks like a badge-engineered Prius. I doubt it is, but geez.
I liked the look of the old Insight, not because it looked like a honda, but because it looked more like a small Citroen.
__________________
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. ~Mark Twain, "Taming the Bicycle"
vBulletin: snafu
gnome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:17 PM   #17
x136 
phony collective progress
 
x136's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Hoosey
Bikes: http://velospace.org/user/36663
Posts: 2,981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
Yeah, it definitely helps to have no lower limit to quality when trying to achieve a cost target.
That's what I'd say about a GM/Ford/Chrysler product, but Honda seems to have, you know, standards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
Nah, you weren't the only one, I liked it too. I even thought it was pretty ugly, but for some reason I liked it. Maybe because I also owned a CRX. Best car I ever had, without question.
The old Insight and the Toyota Yaris two modern cars that hit that "completely ugly, but I kind of like them anyway" sweet spot. I'd love to find a nice-condition, non-pimped first- or second-generation CRX someday.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gnome View Post
I liked the look of the old Insight, not because it looked like a honda, but because it looked more like a small Citroen.
Heh, it did. It had that same narrow rear end, wheelcovers thing going on that the Citroen DS did.
__________________
x136 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:18 PM   #18
jhota
blithering idiot
 
jhota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: beautiful coastal South Carolina
Bikes: 1991 Trek 930, 2005 Bianchi Eros, 2006 Nashbar "X," IRO Rob Roy
Posts: 1,263
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
my Honda gets better than 31 mpg in town. and it's paid for.
jhota is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:18 PM   #19
gnome 
shaken, not stirred.
 
gnome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Shaky Isles.
Bikes: I've lost count.
Posts: 2,960
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnome View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by AEO View Post
must be what... $50,000 NZD?
Despite our peso's worth, it will probably be only mid $40,000s here. We have an unregulated market and get shiploads of used Japanese imports every year. It won't take long before someone brings in a few and sells them cheaper than whatever the list price will be.
Here are the prices you pay for a new Honda here per Honda New Zealand's website. Jazz 1.5 (Fit) $28,700, Civic Hybrid $40,800, Civic 1.8 Sport $34,600, plus on-road costs of about $800. You can't get a discount on new Honda's here. They have decided to have one price for everyone, including fleet buyers, on the basis that that will help maintain the resale value and it seems to be working.
__________________
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. ~Mark Twain, "Taming the Bicycle"
vBulletin: snafu
gnome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:24 PM   #20
downtube42
Senior Member
 
downtube42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Columbus, Indiana
Bikes: Volae Team, '76 Motobecane Grand Jubile, DONATED: '60's Schwinn Typhoon 2-speed kickback, DONATED: Specialized Hardrock, Sun Flat-top unicycle, Santana Arriva road tandem
Posts: 1,705
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm pretty excited to see Mazda will be bringing the Mazda2 to the states. 2008 World car of the year. Industry rags are saying we'll get the 1.6 gas and no diesel, but Mazda isn't saying.

I'll take a 5-speed 1.4 turbo diesel (54 mpg). 114g/km of CO2 emissions is the lowest production car ever sold in Europe. And I'm guessing substantially less than $40k. zoom zoom at no extra cost.
downtube42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:44 PM   #21
mlts22 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 998
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If Honda says they can do it, they can. I have never seen a vehicle model from Honda that is absolute junk. Individual lemons, maybe, but not a model as whole.
mlts22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:45 PM   #22
austropithicus
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
That's too nice a car for you.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:46 PM   #23
Eagle Kammback
Senior Member
 
Eagle Kammback's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Bikes: Trek 800 Antelope, August 1978 Schwinn Stingray, Old Red White and Blue Free Spirit
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I would rather be dead than have somethingg that freaking ugly in my driveway
Eagle Kammback is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:47 PM   #24
austropithicus
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
I wonder what the battery bank costs to replace
$800. I have 92,000 on my Civic hybrid and the battery is fine.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-09, 06:48 PM   #25
austropithicus
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle Kammback View Post
I would rather be dead than have somethingg that freaking ugly in my driveway
Ya, not nearly as nice an an AMC Eagle...
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:47 PM.