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    Why, Microsoft, why? (Six Windows 7 editions)

    http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/03/w...-has-come-to/2

    We don't need six versions of the same OS. At best, we need two just like XP:

    Windows Home (parental controls, DVDs, etc.)
    Windows Professional (everything)

    If MS *has* to have activation, then three editions:

    Home and Pro with standard activation. Then, Pro VLK with -zero- activation. No KMS servers, just zero activation code like XP. Microsoft can yank compromised volume keys in seconds with WGA, so having a dedicated enterprise edition for SA customers is pointless. Pirates will have it cracked in seconds so activation doesn't affect them. For companies, the sledgehammer of the BSA/SIAA will ensure they have their licenses in order, so activation isn't needed in the business/enterprise world.

    MS needs to take a look at other OS makers At most they have two production editions. Six editions for the client OS (and likely 3-4 for the server) is annoying:

    Apple: OS X, OS X Server
    Solaris: OpenSolaris, Solaris, Trusted Solaris
    RedHat: RHEL Desktop, RHEL Server
    AIX: Used to be AIX for Servers, and AIX for Workstations, only difference was amount of users allowed on at a time. These days, these two editions are merged.
    HP-UX: HP-UX, one edition.
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    Well isn't that just stupid as hell.
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    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

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    What an alarmist...

    There were only 5 versions listed there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    What an alarmist...

    There were only 5 versions listed there...
    Did you use you fingers to count? Try again.

    # Windows 7 Starter (limited to three apps concurrently)
    # Windows 7 Home Basic (for emerging markets)
    # Windows 7 Home Premium (adds Aero, Touch, Media Center)
    # Windows 7 Professional (Remote Desktop host, Mobility Center, Presentation mode)
    # Windows 7 Enterprise (volume license only, boot from virtual drive, BitLocker)
    # Windows 7 Ultimate (limited availability, includes everything)
    Quote Originally Posted by coffeecake View Post
    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

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    • Windows 7 Starter (limited to three apps concurrently)
    • Windows 7 Home Basic (for emerging markets)
    • Windows 7 Home Premium (adds Aero, Touch, Media Center)
    • Windows 7 Professional (Remote Desktop host, Mobility Center, Presentation mode)
    • Windows 7 Enterprise (volume license only, boot from virtual drive, BitLocker)
    • Windows 7 Ultimate (limited availability, includes everything)

    starter = for netbooks
    home basic = for 2nd and 3rd world countries
    home premium = you'll see this in stores
    pro = you'll see this in stores
    enterprise = unavailable in retail, for sys admins
    ultimate = enterprise, but retail

    out of that you can combine starter and basic, ultimate and enterprise. down to 4.

    but oh wait, the article forgets to mention there will be 32bit and 64bit editions. so in reality you have 12 versions.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    please kill the 32bit version and combine starter with home basic and enterprise with ultimate.

    better yet, rename home basic to traveller's light and home premium to home.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
    http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEO View Post

    but oh wait, the article forgets to mention there will be 32bit and 64bit editions. so in reality you have 12 versions.
    That's right. Gotta make sure it'll run on a 3/486...
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    BitLocker is only available on the top 2 versions?

    I'm glad that Ultimate will only cost me $40.
    Sooooo nice to be connected.

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    guess what will be sold in stores? 32bit editions.

    I didn't see a single 64bit vista OS being sold in any of the major chain retail stores.
    had to go to specialty computer shops to buy the 64bit versions
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
    http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    BitLocker is only available on the top 2 versions?

    I'm glad that Ultimate will only cost me $40.
    Sooooo nice to be connected.
    You'll be hookin' me up when the time comes too, buddy!
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    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

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    The real problem that I see with all these versions is that MS is opening themselves up for another round of Vista-ish lawsuits.

    Will your new computer be Windows 7 "Capable", or Windows 7 "Compatable"? Which version does that mean? Will the average consumer (or sales rep) at Fry's be able to explain the difference?

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    So they actually *want* me to pirate it... Enterprise will probably be the only one without the media center monstrocity and of course not available for purchase whoop dee doo, and I was going to go out and actually buy this thing when it comes out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Shuck View Post
    So they actually *want* me to pirate it... Enterprise will probably be the only one without the media center monstrocity and of course not available for purchase whoop dee doo, and I was going to go out and actually buy this thing when it comes out
    I think they will have a few more versions for the EU that don't have the media stuff (as a result of an EU lawsuit). So you may be in good shape.

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    Microsoft is unfathomable and they make software that ranges from brilliant to abysmal. Hey, that's just like most other software companies.

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    Microsoft ought to just kill that new OS now. Kill Vista while they're at it. Run XP, then take all of the time they need to R&D/beta a new OS. Preferably, one that plays nice with the other software that is designed to run with it.
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    Windows 7 Starter

    * Available worldwide to OEMs on new PCs
    * Missing Aero UI tweaks
    * Limited to 3 simultaneous applications
    Cheap-o's won't be able to run more then 3 things at a time?

    Microsoft needs no help when it comes to dumping on themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Microsoft is unfathomable and they make software that ranges from brilliant to abysmal. Hey, that's just like most other software companies.
    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    I think MS is taking the multiple dirty underwear approach. Throw out enough of them and something should stick to the wall.

    Yes, I am comparing MS products with the substance on dirty underwear that makes it stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
    Microsoft ought to just kill that new OS now. Kill Vista while they're at it. Run XP, then take all of the time they need to R&D/beta a new OS. Preferably, one that plays nice with the other software that is designed to run with it.
    Why stop at XP? Why not just go back to DOS and Win98? Now THERE was an operating system!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807 View Post
    Why stop at XP? Why not just go back to DOS and Win98? Now THERE was an operating system!
    It depends on your definition of "operating system"

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    What MS should have done is hold off on Windows 7 and have released an OS that is completely hypervisor based. The tech does exist -- my laptop running Windows Server 2008 is technically a client OS under the Hyper-V code. Microsoft should work on this functionality so the core OS can happily run on Itanium, but with VMs for Win32, amd64, win16, and even a DOS box. Everyone can run their old code, while the underlying OS is kept secure.

    Add to this a heuristic based IDS that is updated every week or so similar to how Exchange is updated often with anti spam signatures. This is similar to the once monthly run of the Malicious Software Removal Tool but has a hypervisor level process to catch malware in sub operating systems. The IDS would sit at the hypervisor level, well out of reach of OS level rootkits.

    BitLocker should be allowed to be used similar to TrueCrypt without a TPM, just a password needed. Add smart card support on the PBA level might be a good thing as well. The commercial version of PGP does this quite well, MS should look at this as the way to secure machines.

    Finally, MS should see about a hardware RAID encryption card standard, similar to ReadyDrive. You plug SATA or SAS drives into the card, the card does the RAID controlling, but it also does a complete AES encryption layer for volumes as well. Key management can be completely transparent, or demanding a password or smart card be presented before the RAID array would be unlocked for use. Because this is all in hardware, the machine itself doesn't need to care at all about the encryption or the key management. An added bonus is the fact that the encryption key can be zapped and a machine reused without any worry about data recovery.

    Activation: Perhaps a motherboard hook that stores a certificate. Once a machine is activated, a certificate is stored on some flash on the motherboard. Then, when the box is reinstalled, no re-activation is needed. For companies, machines should come with this already pre-installed and a sticker saying this was done, so people can't look on the top of a tower and copy down the OEM serial.

    Finally, Windows 7 should have come with a backup program that has multiple modes. From a set up and forget mode. Apple did this extremely well with Time Machine, where if someone loses everything from their box, they can jam in the OS CD, restore from the TM drive and have a completely working system back. For businesses, add enterprise functionality like encryption, and perhaps other features found in TSM, Legato, Retrospect, and others. (Deduplication, and storing diffs of files comes to mind.)

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    Buy a mac, you'll be one of us soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by neurocycler View Post
    Buy a mac, you'll be one of us soon...
    +1

    I've learned to not trust companies that keep changing their products' names. Microsoft has Windows, Windows 95, 98, 2000, then a shift to XP, then Vista, and now it's back to the numbers. That strikes me as a lack of continuity which, to be honest, leads me to believe they're simply trying to find a name that'll sell more than an OS that'll sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neurocycler View Post
    Buy a mac, you'll be one of us soon...
    Already done. I have a Macbook (late 2008 aluminum, 2.4 gHz, illuminated keys) sitting on my KVM switch, whose current function in life is running iTunes and housing my MP3 library.
    Last edited by mlts22; 02-05-09 at 12:21 AM.

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