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    Hard Drive Failure

    The hard drive on my 2.5 year old MacBook failed today. Most of the stuff is protected by backups but some is not. Remember to backup your data frequently.

    Now for Mr. Angry eyes:

    It turns out apple knew it had a problem with the seagate drives in these early intel macbooks and have refused to recall them. Not a good show. I've got 4 computers in my house from 4 different manufactures, and I've been using computers since 1983. I've never had a hard drive fail so quickly. Even if apple had simply publized the defect I would have known to replace the drive before it failed.

    Bad apple.

    Ironically yesterday I was ready to sing Apple's praises as they detected someone trying to frauduently use my card at Apples online store.

    FYI: I'm writing this post on an old gateway laptop running linux.
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    hmm I wonder if my replacement drive (that is in the process of failing as well) is one of those drives.
    I too have been using computers since 82, and have NEVER seen hardware fail so fast.

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    You guys have never seen a hard drive fail in 2.5 years or less?

    I find that almost impossible to believe.
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    it either fails within 30~90days of purchase, or right after the warranty expires... anything in between is fairly odd.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    You guys have never seen a hard drive fail in 2.5 years or less?

    I find that almost impossible to believe.
    Well I have seen some fail pretty quickly but they displayed squirrelly behavior right from the start. I've never seen one perform flawlessly for 2 years and then die. And I've worked with hundreds of these suckers.
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    Same thing happened to me about 3 days ago. I've had my macbook for about, well I guess 2.5 yrs too. It was running fine, froze and when I restarted it, it wouldn't boot up.

    Took it to my local mac store and they fixed it and also have me a new battery. I sure am glad that I bought the applecare plan. If not, that would have cost me bundles of money. Good money that I could be spending on cycling.

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    honestly it sounds like a bad batch, heat dissipation problems or some combination of the two.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    I have a 14-16 year old Mycropolis 4Gig SCSI drive that still functions. Granted it's the size of a bread box almost..hahaha. I come from a print/prepress/design background and pound machines in terms of read/write access when designing or printing/postscripting. I've never seen drives fail this fast EVER, not even in servers that are 24/7.... within a couple years I'd say would be unacceptable.

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    I recommend applecare for anything bought from apple. I've worked in a shop where they had a separate apple care center.

    1. they're pretty good about covering the warranty.
    2. the parts would be ridiculously expensive to replace without warranty.
    3. apple products tend to fail within warranty.
    4. they give you a 30 or 90 day grace period even after the extended warranty expires.
    5. some apple products are complete lemons right off the bat. G3 clamshell for instance.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebuddha View Post
    The hard drive on my 2.5 year old MacBook failed today. Most of the stuff is protected by backups but some is not. Remember to backup your data frequently.

    Now for Mr. Angry eyes:

    It turns out apple knew it had a problem with the seagate drives in these early intel macbooks and have refused to recall them. Not a good show. I've got 4 computers in my house from 4 different manufactures, and I've been using computers since 1983. I've never had a hard drive fail so quickly. Even if apple had simply publized the defect I would have known to replace the drive before it failed.

    Bad apple.

    Ironically yesterday I was ready to sing Apple's praises as they detected someone trying to frauduently use my card at Apples online store.

    FYI: I'm writing this post on an old gateway laptop running linux.
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    did you use time machine? my seagate hd in my mini died, got a snazzy new 500 gb 5400 (didn't get faster because it would probably melt the top), installed, formatted, and restored. Piece of cake.
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    heehee remember the Cube™? Some designer just HAD to commit sepiku over that one. I'm still steamed about the removal of the paperclip cd/dvd release hole, and access buttons. Whoever thought that a good place to put the only access the the CD tray was on the keyboard, you're fired too.

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    I had two Hitachi notebook drives fail within three years. One under warranty, the other I was happy to replace with an IBM travelstar (now owned by Hitachi) with six times the capacity. It still works 5 years later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    link?
    A guess... Or perhaps this.

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    Sorry for not providing link, I was out to dinner with the wife for our anniversary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer View Post
    I have a 14-16 year old Mycropolis 4Gig SCSI drive that still functions. Granted it's the size of a bread box almost..hahaha. I come from a print/prepress/design background and pound machines in terms of read/write access when designing or printing/postscripting. I've never seen drives fail this fast EVER, not even in servers that are 24/7.... within a couple years I'd say would be unacceptable.
    Back when hard drives were thousands they were built to last. I'm pretty sure I could fire up my 25 year old xt and it would work ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer View Post
    I have a 14-16 year old Mycropolis 4Gig SCSI drive that still functions. Granted it's the size of a bread box almost.
    Mmm, full-sized hard drive. I have a ~20 year old 40 megabyte SCSI drive that, as far as I know, still works. It did the last time I used it a few years ago. Full-height, but 3.5".

    I guess I've been extremely lucky in my hard drive purchases, because I don't think I've ever had one fail. And I've used some of them for a long-ass time, too. Optical drives, on the other hand... bleh.

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    Seagate seems to have a rash of QC problems lately. I've RAM'ed over 25 Barracuda 7200.11 drives in the past couple months. And I'm not alone either:

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...200-11-failing
    http://www.virtual-hideout.net/artic...es/index.shtml
    http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/16/s...-at-an-alarmi/

    Every manufacturer has had a bad line of drives at some time in their history. Seagate's been pretty good about recalls and replacements in my experience. Some of the worse has been WD; I had a box of over 200 WD400BB drives that was over their warranty. Seagate's 5-year warranties gets my business.

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    cough*deathstar*cough

    WD scorpio (2.5") line has been good to me.

    ever since seagate bought out maxtor, their quality in motors and noise has been down.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
    Seagate seems to have a rash of QC problems lately. I've RAM'ed over 25 Barracuda 7200.11 drives in the past couple months.
    Any issues with 7200.10 Barracudas that you've seen?

    *crosses fingers*

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Mmm, full-sized hard drive. I have a ~20 year old 40 megabyte SCSI drive that, as far as I know, still works. It did the last time I used it a few years ago. Full-height, but 3.5".

    I guess I've been extremely lucky in my hard drive purchases, because I don't think I've ever had one fail. And I've used some of them for a long-ass time, too. Optical drives, on the other hand... bleh.
    I have an old 40 MB (yep, megabyte) SCSI Seagate drive that went with a circa 1989 Mac SE. Still works. Still brings up System 6.

    I have had hard disks fail, the last one that failed was in a machine I used for a while, then didn't touch for 2-3 years. It is pretty random, and that is the rub: Bad disks are unpredictable though. You never know unless you are lucky to get a SMART prefail notice (which usually means that the special area set aside for relocating about to go bad sectors is full.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehidle View Post
    You guys have never seen a hard drive fail in 2.5 years or less?

    I find that almost impossible to believe.
    That's odd, because my nearly four-year old drive is still chugging away and some of my five or six+ year old server hard drives are still doing just fine.
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    Seagate drives apparently have been having quality issues as of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
    Seagate seems to have a rash of QC problems lately.
    I don't think their issues are QC. I think they are bad design, specifically in the firmware.
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    7200.8/9 are good. I've got 6 of those and they've yet to give up the ghost.
    built before the maxtor buy out.
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