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Old 02-13-09, 01:47 PM   #1
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I want a new turntable

Something in the $1K to $2K range.

I currently have a 20 year old VPI HW19Jr... a fine TT, really, but the tonearm could be better. A lot better
There in lies the tale, it's an AudioQuest PT-5 and nothing new will fit in the holes it's using.

So, I guess if I want a new tonearm, I need a turntable to go with it.Tell me what to buy.
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Something in the $1K to $2K range.

I currently have a 20 year old VPI HW19Jr... a fine TT, really, but the tonearm could be better. A lot better
There in lies the tale, it's an AudioQuest PT-5 and nothing new will fit in the holes it's using.

So, I guess if I want a new tonearm, I need a turntable to go with it.Tell me what to buy.
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Roksan Radius 5,
Sota Satellite with Nima tonearm.
ClearAudio Bluemotion & Satisfy tonearm.

I like the bluemotion for the looks, sound isn't bad either.
You could always go for a Sondek. . .

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Do you want a turntable for audio quality? This will be good for that -- no needles to replace, although its not happy with funky records (like the old Mcdonalds cardboard thingies that if they played the song all the way through, you won several million.)

If not that, do you want one for DJ use? If its DJ use, I'm assuming you want two of these. I'm assuming you want direct drive.

Turntables are a lost art. I still have a Toshiba vertical turntable in a closet somewhere that dates to the early 80s.
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Something in the $1K to $2K range.

I currently have a 20 year old VPI HW19Jr... a fine TT, really, but the tonearm could be better. A lot better
There in lies the tale, it's an AudioQuest PT-5 and nothing new will fit in the holes it's using.

So, I guess if I want a new tonearm, I need a turntable to go with it.Tell me what to buy.
Do you just like to listen or do you DJ? I've always like automatic return and all that jazz because i am not really into DJing or anything like that. I have never spent more than $100 on a TT so i can't really help you too much with the high end options.

I own this, which i paid $25 for


And this, which i paid $100 for. It's cool cause you can take it to the park or something if you really wanted too.




I've always like the old bang and olufsen TT that had the platter and arm on a suspension system that moved together, so the thing would never skip. We sat that and shook the hell out of the table that one was on and we could not get it to skip. Could be nice if you like to jump up and down while you listen to your records. I just thought the idea was genius. These days I don't know how high up the totem pole they are with all the new options out there.

These look pretty fancy
http://www.highendpalace.com/HEP%20Analogue.htm

Let us know what you find out. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
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Do you want a turntable for audio quality? This will be good for that -- no needles to replace, although its not happy with funky records (like the old Mcdonalds cardboard thingies that if they played the song all the way through, you won several million.)
Do you actually own one of those?
It looks kind of gimmicky, like a big CD player, or laser disc player. Does it have the same sound as a needle riding the groove?
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I have one of these, or something very similar at home in a closet.

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I recently bought one of these to play with. Will probably rewire it, might try my hand at
replacing tonearm.



SaiKaiTai have you checked out Audio Asylum's Vinyl asylum?
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Do you actually own one of those?
It looks kind of gimmicky, like a big CD player, or laser disc player. Does it have the same sound as a needle riding the groove?
I've not heard one personally, but I know a couple people with a lot of cash to blow either swear by them, or say that they don't give an authentic sound compared to a needle riding the record grooves.

The trick is finding the best price/performance ratio, where anything above that is more show or might help things by a 0.01 percent.

If it were me, I'd spend the cash and buy a high end Numark, but some people are absolute fans of the ultra expensive turntables that sit on granite blocks and have special suspension systems.
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You have more choices than Carter has Little Liver Pills.

1) Get a new armboard. You can put a new armboard on most decks, give Harry a call and see what he says. If he says yes, then just get a new arm
and cart.

2) Get a Rega P5 and a Ortofon 2M Black. Nice combo.

3) Look into KAB if you are in the mood to go retro
http://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/

Go to KAB USA website and select a Technics SL-1200 model from the selection they offer. Like a silver 1200mkII. Go to add ons and get the Cardas arm rewire ($149) If you buy the mk5se or Mg5se they apparently already come with upgraded tonearm wire. Get the Fluid Damper ($149) consider the out board power supply, get the pre-wiring for it at least (I should have done it for mine ) ( total for power supply is $250.. You approx totals are $1000.00

2) This is a a really, really nice record player
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/83516

3) I'd throw a new cart into the mix. The ortofon I mentioned is a new design; and plays in a league above it's price.

4) For more info and answers to other questions, consult my magic ball
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/bbs.html
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. . . but some people are absolute fans of the ultra expensive turntables that sit on granite blocks and have special suspension systems.
here ya go. $27K for the turntable the arm (not sure if it's included is $9500. And there are more
expensive tables...yikes

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You have more choices than Carter has Little Liver Pills.

1) Get a new armboard. You can put a new armboard on most decks, give Harry a call and see what he says. If he says yes, then just get a new arm
and cart.

2) Get a Rega P5 and a Ortofon 2M Black. Nice combo.

3) Look into KAB if you are in the mood to go retro
http://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/


Go to KAB USA website and select a Technics SL-1200 model from the selection they offer. Like a silver 1200mkII. Go to add ons and get the Cardas arm rewire ($149) If you buy the mk5se or Mg5se they apparently already come with upgraded tonearm wire. Get the Fluid Damper ($149) consider the out board power supply, get the pre-wiring for it at least (I should have done it for mine ) ( total for power supply is $250.. You approx totals are $1000.00

2) This is a a really, really nice record player
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/83516

3) I'd throw a new cart into the mix. The ortofon I mentioned is a new design; and plays in a league above it's price.

4) For more info and answers to other questions, consult my magic ball
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/bbs.html
That is what I have. Replace the feet with some Mapleshade heavy brass cones, place it on a thick maple cutting board in a sandbox. I think it would be hard to beat for the money. If you really think the tonearm is not up to snuff, get an Origin Live armboard and one of their tonearms like the Silver or up the line. I think once you go direct drive, lose the speed inaccuracy of belt drives it will be an eye opener. Experiment with platter mats too.
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I swear by the authentic sound of the FP-84. Here's my own setup in the studio along with a few of my favorite recordings.

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Some of you have some great ideas (some of you obviously have no idea what a VPI turntable is or what it's used for). I didn't see any armboards on the VPI site but I never thought of asking them if the had any. OTOH, I asked them about suggested tonearms and they didn't exactly volunteer the info either. Of course, even if I got a new armboard, I have no clue how to drill one out.

The cartridge is taken care of... I have a brand new Micro Benz Silver (to replace my old MB Silver). I've checked out a couple of the ClearAudios online... they look pretty nice. I've also perused some Music Halls, Pro-Jects and the SOTA Comet. And the VPI Scout. That would kind of keep it in the family
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here ya go. $27K for the turntable the arm (not sure if it's included is $9500. And there are more
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here ya go. $27K for the turntable the arm (not sure if it's included is $9500. And there are more
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It's all about isolation. Me? I wouldn't settle for anything less...
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Somehow the look of that turntable is stunning. I don't know if its the industrial look,
the total Sci-Fi thing or the sheer magnitude of it but it speaks to me.

Google VPI Armboard and there are more than a few hits. boards predrilled for SME,
sumiko, Rega and any number of other arms.

Fun stuff.
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Some of you have some great ideas (some of you obviously have no idea what a VPI turntable is or what it's used for). I didn't see any armboards on the VPI site but I never thought of asking them if the had any. OTOH, I asked them about suggested tonearms and they didn't exactly volunteer the info either. Of course, even if I got a new armboard, I have no clue how to drill one out.

The cartridge is taken care of... I have a brand new Micro Benz Silver (to replace my old MB Silver). I've checked out a couple of the ClearAudios online... they look pretty nice. I've also perused some Music Halls, Pro-Jects and the SOTA Comet. And the VPI Scout. That would kind of keep it in the family
Like I said, call them. You might have to ship it back for installation, but then it might be worth it. And they could install the arm.
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Do you want a turntable for audio quality? This will be good for that -- no needles to replace
Damn those things are cool. I'm not even going to bother clicking on the "price" tab.

Audiophile turntables get real scary real fast. *pats his first-gen Technics SL-1500*
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My friends who were avid audiophiles back then when direct to disk records by Sheffield Labs, etc. were the thing, now have hearing problems. Their stuff is stored away and their nice tube amps just sit there. I was able to get a used turntable but not audiophile crazy. Happy with the grace cartridge and tone arm.

Why not spend the 2 grand on a nice frameset?
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