Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 18 of 18
  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    776
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    History Question

    I am in need of a good history forum. I have tried 'Googling' my question and even history forums but can only find small forums with a few posters at best. Of course nothing beats BF for the number and quality of posters.

    The question is about 'Raffles' during the revolutionary war years. I have been told that raffels were used to pay malitias but can't find any supporting evidence. Any help would be appreciated.........


    About the bike......the commuter is in the shop getting its 'road geared crankset'.....say that three times....replaced with a 22-32-44 mountain gearset because of continuing knee problems. I have had cortisone(sp) injections and am moving to a product that was origionally made from rooster combs but after that it is partial or total knee replacements......and maybe no more riding.

  2. #2
    Banned. The Weak Link's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Post-partisan Paradise
    My Bikes
    GF Wahoo '05, Trek T1000 '04, Lemond Buenos Aires '07
    Posts
    4,936
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Most of us around here are Americans. We don't need no stinking history.

  3. #3
    Neil_B
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by LastPlace View Post
    I am in need of a good history forum. I have tried 'Googling' my question and even history forums but can only find small forums with a few posters at best. Of course nothing beats BF for the number and quality of posters.

    The question is about 'Raffles' during the revolutionary war years. I have been told that raffels were used to pay malitias but can't find any supporting evidence. Any help would be appreciated.........


    About the bike......the commuter is in the shop getting its 'road geared crankset'.....say that three times....replaced with a 22-32-44 mountain gearset because of continuing knee problems. I have had cortisone(sp) injections and am moving to a product that was origionally made from rooster combs but after that it is partial or total knee replacements......and maybe no more riding.
    Wouldn't any "raffle" be of land and held by the state? Pennsylvania, for instance, was still very much Penn's woods, and there were thousands of acres of unsettled land in the Commonwealth.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Posts
    4,866
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I vaguely remember reading something about raffles being used to finance the revolutionary war.

    Sounds like a trip to the library is in order.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Posts
    4,866
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Weak Link View Post
    Most of us around here are Americans. We don't need no stinking history.
    We Americans were spoon fed the sanitized version of history for 12 years in our schools. That's good enough for most of us. Besides, it keeps us aligned properly.

  6. #6
    Senior Member NOS88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    6,395
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I know that Ben Franklin used lotteries to finance the purchase of cannons for the Revolutionary War. In the Autobiography of Ben Franklin, Chapter Ten, he discussed using a lottery to furnish a cannon:
    "The officers of the companies composing the Philadelphia regiment, being met, chose me for their colonel; but, conceiving myself unfit, I declin'd that station, and recommended Mr. Lawrence, a fine person, and man of influence, who was accordingly appointed. I then propos'd a lottery to defray the expense of building a battery below the town, and furnishing it with cannon. It filled expeditiously, and the battery was soon erected, the merlons being fram'd of logs and fill'd with earth. We bought some old cannon from Boston, but, these not being sufficient, we wrote to England for more, soliciting, at the same time, our proprietaries for some assistance, tho' without much expectation of obtaining it."

    And if I remember correctly, prior to the 1790s there were only a handful of incorporated banks. So, lotteries were used for financing many public projects. Wait a minute and let me check on the history of lotteries: Ah, yes.... http://www.naspl.org/index.cfm?fusea...ageCategory=11
    A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. - S. Wright

  7. #7
    Senior Member George's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Katy Texas
    My Bikes
    Specialized Roubaix - Look 566 - Jamis Coda Elite
    Posts
    5,260
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    George

  8. #8
    Neil_B
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by NOS88 View Post
    And if I remember correctly, prior to the 1790s there were only a handful of incorporated banks.
    And they would have been approved by each individual colony, later state, and would have handled state currencies.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    453
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I don't know about the Rev War solider pay thing but lotteries was a common way of financing Pennsylvania canal construction in the 1820's and 1830's.

    From my reading on the Rev War most were paid off in land grants. A good bit of the land above Williamsport and to the West of that town originally went as land grants to Rev War veterans. I have two good books on PA history so if I get time today or tomorrow I'll see what I can find.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    453
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Looking at:
    Pennsylvania
    The Colonial Years
    1681 - 1776
    Joseph J. Kelly, Jr.

    As NOS88 mentioned. The lotteries were run to raise money for arms during what we call the French & Indian War.
    Ben Franklin was considered to be a specialist at setting these lotteries up.
    At the end of the F&I War there was a lottery to pay off a group of rangers who had operated against the Indians on the colony's western frontier.

    Pennsylvania was run by the Quakers in Philly. Anytime the Indians became restless the Assembly would give "gifts" to the Indians. Deficit financing was not allowed. The Quaker Assembly would then tax either alcohol or tobacco to raise the required funds. And since they were the merchants supplying the "gifts" they got the profits.

    At the close of the F&I War a number of churches were also using lotteries to raise funds for expansion of the churches.

    There was no state run military force at the time. Groups known as Associations or Regulators were raised by private citizens, such as Franklin, to defend the colony against the Indians. During the F&I War English troops were not always available so groups of private citizens often defended the colony. A so-called "well reulated" militia does not show up until a good bit later in PA history.

    Now I'll see if the other book has anything relative to troop payment.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Middle of the road, NJ
    Posts
    2,154
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Back in my college days, when ever my frat needed money we held a raffle. There was this one guy, Rocky Barufi, from Brooklyn, NY, that won almost all of them. Lucky guy, that Rocky.

  12. #12
    Pat
    Pat is offline
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    My Bikes
    litespeed, cannondale
    Posts
    2,795
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    As for troop payment, it was often long in arrears. One of the fears at the end of the war was that the Continental Army would seize control of the government until they were paid which could have taken years. George Washington put a stop to any impulses in that direction.

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Deep In The Heart
    My Bikes
    Seven Ti Tandem, Blue T12 tri bike, 92 Paramount, 93 Schwinn Mesa MTB, Trek 520 tourer
    Posts
    2,505
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by LastPlace View Post
    .

    The question is about 'Raffles' during the revolutionary war years. I have been told that raffels were used to pay malitias but can't find any supporting evidence. Any help would be appreciated.........
    Here ya' go.

    http://www.historyoflottery.com/american_lotteries.html

    http://www.lotteryflorida.net/lotter...otteries.shtml
    Most economic fallacies derive from the tendency to assume that there is a fixed pie, that one party can gain only at the expense of another.....Milton Friedman

  14. #14
    Senior Member BlazingPedals's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Middle of da Mitten
    My Bikes
    Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent
    Posts
    7,115
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis View Post
    We Americans were spoon fed the sanitized version of history for 12 years in our schools. That's good enough for most of us. Besides, it keeps us aligned properly.
    Yes, for instance, who was the first president of the United States? (Hint: it wasn't George Washington, which is what we were all taught.)

  15. #15
    Senior Member NOS88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    6,395
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
    Yes, for instance, who was the first president of the United States? (Hint: it wasn't George Washington, which is what we were all taught.)
    I guess this all depends on when the United States came into existence. If you go with the Articles of Confederation, then Washington would not be the first. However, I believe we are governed by the Constitution, in which case Washington is the first. And, I think a reasonable argument can be made that the Constitution did indeed create a new government.
    A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. - S. Wright

  16. #16
    Banned. The Weak Link's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Post-partisan Paradise
    My Bikes
    GF Wahoo '05, Trek T1000 '04, Lemond Buenos Aires '07
    Posts
    4,936
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
    Yes, for instance, who was the first president of the United States? (Hint: it wasn't George Washington, which is what we were all taught.)
    John Hanson was the first president of the continental Congress.

    At least I think so. That's what they taught me in Jr. High School. I went to John Hanson Jr. High School. If ever there was such a den of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.

  17. #17
    On my TARDIScycle! KingTermite's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Eastside Seattlite Termite Mound
    My Bikes
    Trek 520, Trek Navigator 300, Peugeot Versailles PE10DE
    Posts
    3,928
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Does Jeopardy have their own forum?
    Quote Originally Posted by coffeecake View Post
    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

  18. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    776
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Thanks for all the help and all the references. Really sorry that I couldn't turn this up on my own.

    I guess my thought that houses were raffled off was a bit incorrect and it was really lotteries that were used instead.

    Thanks again and don't hesitate to pass along anything else that comes up.

    Now if you folks can just come up with a way to pay for getting the new crankset that I mentioned in my first post.......

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •