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Old 05-26-04, 05:11 PM   #1
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Mozilla Firefox browser

We just tried this new browser Mozilla Firefox its really a nice browser much better than netscape or internet explorer. Has anyone else tried it how did you like it have you had any problems with it. Also are there any other browsers that are as good??
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Old 05-26-04, 05:15 PM   #2
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i like it. its reeeeally fast. much faster then IE and netscape
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Have been using the original Mozilla and now Firefox for the best part of a year now. I really like it.. the tabbed browsing is awesome. Make sure you set it up so the ctrl-click opens a link in a new tab. Great for browsing the forums!

The only issue I've had with Firefox is with some of the boutique plug-ins e.g. WebEx. For that I just start up IE. All other Netscape plug-ins seem to work fine. Strangely, Mozilla was fine with WebEx...
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We just tried this new browser Mozilla Firefox its really a nice browser much better than netscape or internet explorer. Has anyone else tried it how did you like it have you had any problems with it. Also are there any other browsers that are as good??
i love it. i switched over from IE because i was getting a million pop ups. once in a while, there will be problems displaying some frames on mozilla that work in IE. but for the most part it works really well.
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Old 05-26-04, 08:54 PM   #5
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Firefox is definitely one of the better browsers. I still use IE simply because it loads up really fast since it shares files with windows explorer which is already running.
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Firefox is great. Opera ain't bad either. I would have to be paid to use IE and I would never put it on any of my own machines and not just because I can't.
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I use Mozilla for the most part but do fire up Firefox from time to time. Firefox is still a little too beta for what I need it to do on the production side of things but I play around with it nevertheless. Mozilla and Firefox and Opera are cross-platform and for me, that's a huge deal as I run a variety of OSes (mostly unix or unix-like). I do have a really old no-longer supported version of IE for Solaris but that's pretty much a joke masquarading as a browser application.

Firefox is the future for Mozilla and it's impressive from a technological standpoint. It will be great when they start hitting release levels and code-freezes. Now if only people would stop using IE-specific bug-compatible coding...
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I tried Firefox for a while but went back to Mozilla. I use IE only for online banking because the website won't let me in if I use Mozilla.
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I tried Firefox for a while but went back to Mozilla. I use IE only for online banking because the website won't let me in if I use Mozilla.
You might want to check out the Multizilla or the prefBar extensions which allow you to easily reset your userAgent on-the-fly in order to fool some websites that do browser-checking into thinking you're running IE. Both extensions can be found on the Mozilla website.
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Old 05-27-04, 09:16 AM   #10
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I'm using it rite now. I like it. Opera is also good but cost money if you want to get rid of the ad banner. Also opera does'nt have quite as much verticle realestate as FF or IE. Unfortunatly I have to develop web pages that function in substandard IE since it is the most popular browser by far out there.
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Old 05-28-04, 10:11 PM   #11
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I'm using it rite now. I like it. Opera is also good but cost money if you want to get rid of the ad banner. Also opera does'nt have quite as much verticle realestate as FF or IE. Unfortunatly I have to develop web pages that function in substandard IE since it is the most popular browser by far out there.

Try coding to standards instead of browsers - w3c.org. There's no excuse (except laziness) to continue to code to the quirks of outdated browsers. Using (mostly) proper CSS/XHTML, you can be assured that users will get the same experience (not including the oldy-moldy Netscape 4.x).
Mozilla-Firefox/Safari/Opera and a few others support web standards (not fully yet, but getting there). MS said they won't update their browser unitl the next OS release (maybe 2006) and may be another MS-centric version of said standards.

Upgrade now and tell your friends and family - http://www.mozilla.org/. You'll be happy you did.

Why?

  • Fast loading pages
  • Built in Ad/image/popup blocking
  • Tabbed Navigation (only one browser window)
  • Better Web experience (getting what designers meant for you to get)
  • Multiple Profiles - you and your kids can have their own bookmarks and email and web settings.
  • Skinable
  • It's FREE!!!

Enjoy!

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MS said they won't update their browser unitl the next OS release (maybe 2006) and may be another MS-centric version of said standards.
You're most likely correct. Mozilla has really positioned itself to be an applications platform. The underlying engine (Gecko) is used in many browsers such as Mozilla Navigator, all the bundled Mozilla apps like Chatzilla. Mozilla Mail, Mozilla Calendar, etc. And of course Firefox and Thunderbird builds on top of this technology and extends it out even further. Likewise, this same engine is used in Netscape's suite of applications. Other browsers that use Mozilla as a development base include Beonex, Aphrodite, IBM's OS/2 browser (yes, OS/2 still lives), Doczilla, Galeon, K-Meleon, Camino (aka Chimera for Mac OSX)... just to name a few. Recently, Mozilla and the Gnome initiative have begun talks on how to more tightly integrate their two technologies. For those who don't know, Gnome is a generally unix-based/X-Windows desktop management environment, interface and architecture. It's extremely rich and provides a nice basis for distributed computing application front-ends.

On the other side of the fence is Microsoft with its Longhorn development which is supposed to be the next generation of Windows. Funnily enough, Microsoft, despite having touted its monolithic win32 architecture design and poo-pooing more modular loadable module and microkernel designs like those found in modern unix-like OSes has turned around and split up their core architecture into three distinct pieces (Avalon for display/rendering/GUI, Indigo for the networking subsystem and WinFS to handle the filesystem). From a high level architecture and design standpoint, Avalon resembles Gnome at the interface level, X-Windows at the display level, and Gecko at the browser API level. Most likely, Internet Explorer will make use of Avalon-specific calls and "standards" that will allow it to hook in through WinFS for file browsing and Indigo for distributed computing tasks.

So what's the advantage behind the Mozilla/Gnome strategy? Cross-platform. Mozilla and Gnome have very well defined APIs designed around the concept of portability. Both are fairly mature technology at this point. Gnome was the first widely distributed and workable implementation of CORBA. Many applications have already been built around both the Mozilla engines and Gnome's libraries.

Microsoft tends to get things half-right. As an industry powerhouse, they feel compelled to drive standards and to be honest, that's actually a good thing. The problem is that open standards should make a clear distinction and be agnostic towards implementation. As a matter of fact, the general basis for an open standard to move forwards is to first have two interoperable independent implementations. Microsoft's philosophy is at odds with this concept.
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Very well said. Thanks Khuon.

The best thing needed now is marketing/advertising of the above browsers and get them on to new machines. IE IS the internet for many people. Most folks just run what they bought or got on their own machines and have no idea there may be a better alternative.

BTW, this local weather is driving me batty with winds/rain/hail/funnel clouds - were in that, "don't like the weather, just wait a minute - oops, wait some more" ;-). Will ski in a whiteout, but don't like to bike in rain (fear of getting run over by incompetent drivers that can barely handle themselves on a sunny day). :-(
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The best thing needed now is marketing/advertising of the above browsers and get them on to new machines. IE IS the internet for many people. Most folks just run what they bought or got on their own machines and have no idea there may be a better alternative.
Yep. Microsoft has always capitalised on inertia. It's time others learn how to do that too. The trick is to create a "foot-in-the-door" application that is standards compliant. The second trick is to keep from being bought out by Microsoft once that's done. The third trick is as you said, to let everyone know about it and promote it. Gee, this sounds a lot like cycling advocacy doesn't it?


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BTW, this local weather is driving me batty with winds/rain/hail/funnel clouds - were in that, "don't like the weather, just wait a minute - oops, wait some more" ;-). Will ski in a whiteout, but don't like to bike in rain (fear of getting run over by incompetent drivers that can barely handle themselves on a sunny day). :-(
I am okay with rain actually. I grew up in the midwest and oftentimes during the summers the temperature and humidty would just build and build and by mid-afternoon to early-evening, huge thunderstorms would develop. Also for some reason, more than 85% of the time I went out on a ride, I'd find myself under at least one storm cell. To me, it's not about the rain as much as the inconsistancy which you seem to allude at being annoyed over too. I have resigned myself to try and cope as best as I can. I was out riding all this week... well since I got back from New York on Tuesday. I travel a lot so I ride whenever I can. I rode on Wednesday even though it had started raining when I left the house. However, it subsided fairly quickly and I had a nice window of about 2 hours in which to ride rain-free. On Thursday, I was not so lucky and only managed to get in 20 miles before the torrential downpours struck. I turned around when the lightning and thunder started booming. Yesterday, I went and rode with some people from my FBS on their regularly scheduled Friday Night Easy Ride from Bothell to Marymoor and back along the SRT. However, everyone else seemed to wimp out except for two women who I happily rode with. It started out in a light rain but that quieted down. Most of the ride was very pleasant and partly sunny but the rain resumed about two miles from Bothell on our way back. Today, things looked gloomy and there were sprinkles in the morning. I had a ride planned with another person to go from Mercer Island to Kirkland and then to University Village by looping up and around the northern part of Lake Washington. the original intent was to come back along pretty much the same route which would have put the loop at 65 miles. We ran into some mechanical problems along the way and I decided to just take us from U-Village through the U-District and towards the I-90 bridge so we could cross back onto Mercer. Total distance only came out to 40 miles but I did take us through some big hills to make up for it. All the time, the weather looked iffy and we caught small tidbits of showers but nothing big. So what am I getting at here? Well, I felt the need to be prepared so I wore my padded thermal tights instead of shorts and a long sleeved thermal jersey. Over it that I had my rain pants and rain jacket on. All throughout the ride (and on previous rides this week), I encountered times when I was glad to be wearing what I was wearing and other moments when I cursed myself for having to lug around the extra clothing that was also causing me to get quite hot. The annoying part about Seattle weather currently seems to be the "you can't win" aspect.
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