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Old 05-01-09, 08:06 AM   #101
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I don't know Rich, I just saw a top of the line Road King in the m/c buying guide, they said it was $30K+. Go figure.
I bought my first new motorcycle, a 1994 Sportster, at an HD dealship that was not much more than a glorified garage in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
After a few years of owning a Sporter I went back to the dealership, which was now a freak'n mega-mall of HD products, to buy a FLHT Electra Glide Standard. This was the Road King before it was given the name Road King. After waiting a year, the dealship called me to say my bike was in and it was $17K+ dollars. I said "...its msrp is $12999..." they said "..tuff s##t take it or leave it" so I left it. No more new Harley Davidsons for me. Crazy dealership markups, rude sales staff at those dealerships...eff that.

A few years later I bought my RC51 and still have it.

I wont buy a BMW motorcycle either. BMW USA can s&&* my a&&h**e too but thats another story.

I do like the Honda VFR800. It has nice available luggage too.





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IAfter waiting a year, the dealship called me to say my bike was in and it was $17K+ dollars. I said "...its msrp is $12999..." they said "..tuff s##t take it or leave it" so I left it. No more new Harley Davidsons for me. Crazy dealership markups, rude sales staff at those dealerships...eff that.
I had that happen, my dealership was great though...they had a HUGE list 'cuz they
only charged MSRP. When I wanted a Nite Train, my 'Sporty salesman called me
and said "Be at the dealer early tomorrow, they're doing a list" I said Id
be there at 8:00...he said, "uhhhhh, better be earlier that that". Got there at
6:00am and there was a long line
Got my Softy and out of about 20 bikes, it was one of only two I regret getting rid
of. There is a certain 'solidity' to an HD no other bike has, in my opinion.

Another thing they used to do, is straw title new bikes to thier cuzzin' Cletus, Ma Kettle, etc..
and then sell them as 'conignment' bikes for 10,000 over list.
"wait on the list fer 'nother year, er gitz this uzed, 10 mile bike, now ?!?!"


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Why does Harley charge over $30K for a Road King? More puzzling, why does anyone pay that?
MSRP for the classic is $17,999. Some places would do drop about a grand or 2 a couple month ago. Not me but a friend. Too low to the ground for me.

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The VFR is very nice indeed. Also way overdue for a re-design.
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sadly she is no longer mine..


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looks like i got higher, :-P



I miss my cbr, that was one of the better bikes owned for the amount of work it took,

the zx7rr rode better, but it took ALOT more effort to keep it running properly, I will never own a bike with flatside carbs and a jet kit again,
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yeah but i was allot smarter than to do it on public streets!...at least you had a helmet on.
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The VFR is very nice indeed. Also way overdue for a re-design.
I just don't understand logic like that. We have really become a society where everything must be newer, greater, bigger, faster, RIGHT NOW!. The current VFR still has almost no peers, other than the Sprint. The VFR stays mid sized, 800cc, thank you very much. It still does over 150mph, it still does 0-60 in just over 3 seconds, it still has the best ABS brakes to be found anywhere, it still handles fantastic straight out of the box and it still has hard luggage for those of us that tour on one and for me, coming off a decade of three BMW's that were the most problem plagued bikes I have ever owned, the VFR is dead nuts reliable.

If a person needs more power, that can be found, but really, that is about the only improvement you can find in newer bikes on the market right now. For me, I have had lots of bigger bikes, this little thing does it all for me.

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I just don't understand logic like that. We have really become a society where everything must be newer, greater, bigger, faster, RIGHT NOW!. The current VFR still has almost no peers, other than the Sprint. The VFR stays mid sized, 800cc, thank you very much. It still does over 150mph, it still does 0-60 in just over 3 seconds, it still has the best ABS brakes to be found anywhere, it still handles fantastic straight out of the box and it still has hard luggage for those of us that tour on one and for me, coming off a decade of three BMW's that were the most problem plagued bikes I have ever owned, the VFR is dead nuts reliable.
I can't disagree. Still, way overdue for a new version, this is the motorcycle business. It's rather an amazing testament to Honda's intelligent design and quality that they come out with designs like the VFR, the ST and the Goldwing, and then they don't re-vamp them for 10 years, yet they remain superior to all the newer designs that Yamaha, Kawasaki and Suzuki bring to market to compete with them. The rumor mill was recently talking a more tour-friendly VFR with shaft drive, better bags, maybe an electric up/down windscreen, still sporty, still about 800cc. We'll see. It's inevitable. That's the only sporty style bike that I can fit my legs on. I'd love it, but I think I would miss the ballast the 700lb ST has on the highway when it's windy. Ideally I'd love to have a VFR and an ST.

One thing about Honda that is rather unfathomable is that when 95% of their customers are screaming about a missing feature or a simple design tweak that would be easy to implement (like offering electronic cruise control on the ST), they really don't do a thing. And their bikes are still the best out there.
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Its ironic you only see owners of other bike ragging on HD's.
If you've never been on a Road King, and are just intent on making
jokes about some goofy HD owners, there is nothing that will change your
mind. But, if you are actually interested in being an informed rider, maybe you
should rent one and drive up the Taconic Parkway one weekend and see what
they are all about. There lots of great generic touring bikes, most more high tech, but
theres nothing like a Road King. Nothing. Except maybe a Victory..... If you want
surgical, sterility in your touring bike, Hondas, BMW 4s, FJR, etc will all do fine,
but if you want a multi-stater that feels alive, only a Road King will do

Steel is real
I really don't care for V-twin motorcycles for a number of reasons, personal preference. That being said, HD has done more for motorcycling than any other company I can think of, single-handedly reviving m/c riding and resurrecting its image into something more positive in the US over the past 25 years. I do wish they would come up with more innovative bikes like the VRod, the most innovative V-Twin I've ever seen anybody develop. I'll never understand why such a move upsets HD traditionalists. HD is still making Fat Boys and Road Kings, that's their core business. They understand that.

It's really evidence that HD is doing a brilliant job building and then marketing its product that they can command a 50-100% premium over the Japanese competition. Nothing wrong with that.
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I can't disagree. Still, way overdue for a new version, this is the motorcycle business. It's rather an amazing testament to Honda's intelligent design and quality that they come out with designs

The biggest favor you could do yourself is put down motorcycle magazines
and stop applying bicycle marketing scammage to motorcycles.
Really....The VFR, Goldwing, etcs that were made in the 80's are as worthy
today as the new stuff. New is nice, but it doest change the reality that an
'89 Goldwing is going to eat up highway miles as comfortably as a 2008 on is.
A 1997 FZR600 is going to carve up a backroad as ably as a 636 kawi is.
Updates like ceramic cylinders and stuff like that will happen, but comfort/speed
stuff was all done long ago. There is nothing new that is 'better' than whats
already out there. This is why I recommended you hold onto your 1300.
there is nothing out there that is better, or will be. Newer, yes, 'better' no

::EDIT:: My Brother picked up a '60's retro Bonneville hi-pipe Scrambler model
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One thing about Honda that is rather unfathomable is that when 95% of their customers are screaming about a missing feature or a simple design tweak that would be easy to implement (like offering electronic cruise control on the ST), they really don't do a thing. And their bikes are still the best out there.
Changes cost money to engineer, test, change production lines, stock current and past parts etc.. If you do it half as s'd you'll end up with warranty/recalls etc too. Honda rotates their engineering teams to different platforms during which times the other models have quiet years. Its a smart way of doing business.

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A 1997 FZR600 is going to carve up a backroad as ably as a 636 kawi is.
I had a 1994 FZR600 like this. I should have kept it. Decent road bike and after I pulled all the stupid "sponsor" stickers off of it, changed the chain/sprockets/tires it was like new. The kid I bought it from didnt really ride it much. New it was around $5600. I paid $2500 for it and sold it for $3500.


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One thing about Honda that is rather unfathomable is that when 95% of their customers are screaming about a missing feature or a simple design tweak that would be easy to implement (like offering electronic cruise control on the ST), they really don't do a thing. And their bikes are still the best out there.
I come out of a completely different era of motorcycle riding and it has forever shaped how I view production bikes. When I started riding there were only standard bikes. You bought one you wanted and turned it into whatever you wanted it to be, cafe style, scrambler, touring, etc. It was so long ago that the word "scrambler" was just being used by the manufactures.

Nowadays people expect the major manufactures to build them the exact bike they want, the ability to adapt the bike has been lost other than by the bizarre copper crowd.

For me, the VFR has some elements I did not like, so I changed them. Heli bars were added, custom peg lowering blocks added, throttle lock added , heated grips added, automatic chain oiler added, and most importantly, $5.00 worth of engine modifications to get ride of the ridiculously crappy, off throttle response at low speeds that many new fuel injected bikes have along with taming the Vtec transition.

After those changes it is set up perfect for me for.

I like bikes to stay in a manufactures line up for a number of years with minor upgrade every couple of years to address any weak areas in the basic design. Honda has done that with many of their bikes, XR650, Goldwing, ST1300 and the VFR.
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I come out of a completely different era of motorcycle riding
It's 2009. I really don't care what the m/c business was like back in 1979. Neither do today's buyers. Consumers are far more demanding today. Why wouldn't they be? Companies have become far more responsive.

One thing that strikes me as the dumbest thing imaginable is the lack of self-cancelling turn directionals on bikes. What would that cost to implement brand-wide? $5 per bike? I've been riding for 5 years, and every now and then I get distracted in the intersection and forget to kill the switch. Here I am on a motorcycle tooling up the road with my right blinker on, telling all those 2-ton cagers I'm about to do something that I'm NOT going to do. That's very dangerous indeed. Not that any of these idiot m/c companies seem to care. Amazing.
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one thing that strikes me as the dumbest thing imaginable is the lack of self-cancelling turn directionals on bikes. What would that cost to implement brand-wide? $5 per bike? I've been riding for 5 years, and every now and then i get distracted in the intersection and forget to kill the switch. Here i am on a motorcycle tooling up the road with my right blinker on, telling all those 2-ton cagers i'm about to do something that i'm not going to do. That's very dangerous indeed. Not that any of these idiot m/c companies seem to care. Amazing.
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Here I am on a motorcycle tooling up the road with my right blinker on, telling all those 2-ton cagers I'm about to do something that I'm NOT going to do. That's very dangerous indeed. Not that any of these idiot m/c companies seem to care. Amazing.
So.....its a motorcycle companies fault you cant remember to cancel your
signal ?? Im not getting it here. This stuff should be habitual. It should
be ingrained in your riding habits. Im with CON, this new era of bikes
is not a good as it used to be. Just gimme a nice, reliable bike. Keep
ABS, keep self-canceling stuff, just the bike, please

If you ever know anyone whose BMW wont start at a cafe in Ohio and it
has to get trailered back to PA to figure out what electrical glitch
caused the non-functionality, you will appreciate lo-tech a little more

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You can buy them new....I really like them too.

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So.....its a motorcycle companies fault you cant remember to cancel your
signal ?? Im not getting it here.
No you are not.

I'll phrase it in terms that you might understand: when a $5 feature that has been standard equipment on every car sold on the planet for 30 years is missing from motorcycles I think that's beyond idiotic. Particularly when it's a far more crucial safety feature to m/c riders than car drivers.

If you forget to fasten your safety belt in a car, you are not an idiot. You are a human being. When the car beeps at you to remind you, the manufacturer is trying to help you not get killed because you make a simple oversight. Maybe the motorcycle companies could figure this one out.

But apparently not. Hey, F it, the Loud Pipes will save us.
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No you are not.

I'll phrase it in terms that you might understand: when a $5 feature that has been standard equipment on
No, I do get it. Ill take simplicity. Keep the 5.00 part.
Fortunately Ive come to a point where this is not(never has) been an issue.

If you live in upstate NY, you are riding about 6 months out of the year, maybe ?
So, that gives you a fragmented 2.5 years of on-the-road ?
Stuff like this wont be an issue for you in a few years. Really.
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You can buy them new....I really like them too.


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Stuff like this wont be an issue for you in a few years. Really.
Like I said, I turn the signal off 95% of the time, even more. But I do occasionally find it on because I forget. I understand that for you this is not an issue, because you are utterly flawless, so this gives you a huge advantage over ordinary humans. The one time some cager clips me because I have that turn directional on, it will suck, won't it? The same thing goes for you. Oh wait, you never make mistakes, never mind.

Motorcyclists are complete friggin utter screaming idiots. Nothing will ever change. And that makes it the perfect companion hobby to cycling. In the meantime, helmets are for Wussy, Loud Pipes Save Lives, and ABS is the Man's Plot to Wrest Control of our Motorcycles from Us.
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Like I said, I turn the signal off 95% of the time, even more. But I do occasionally find it on because I forget. I understand that for you this is not an issue, because you are utterly flawless, so this gives you a huge advantage over ordinary humans. The one time some cager clips me because I have that turn directional on, it will suck, won't it? The same thing goes for you. Oh wait, you never make mistakes, never mind.

Motorcyclists are complete friggin utter screaming idiots. Nothing will ever change. And that makes it the perfect companion hobby to cycling. In the meantime, helmets are for Wussy, Loud Pipes Save Lives, and ABS is the Man's Plot to Wrest Control of our Motorcycles from Us.

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