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Old 08-14-11, 04:54 PM   #1551
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I bought their liner jacket and Union Ridge pants for in WI. Road with them into the 20's also. But at this point I can't imagine needing them down here...y'all.

That, and I've seen plenty of "Bridge ices over before road" signs. I've asked the locals about this and they've confirmed that there is an ice issue to contend with. Has me thinking twice about riding year round.
yeah...it ices here....maybe 1 or 2 weeks out of the year. Last year was about as bad as I can remember..2 ice/snow storms. The roads were basically unrideable for a week each time.
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That's all true about the ST in police service, but you did leave out the part where the UK police depts. stopped using the bike because of a mystery wobble @ high speed (110 mph+). That hasn't impacted consumers because A) hardly anybody is stupid enough to regularly ride their bikes that fast on public roads anyway and B) It's pretty hard to replicate that phenomena on the consumer bike, all the ST weenies think it's largely related to some odd aero anomaly on the Police ST (which is a single seat with different body work in the rear for police gear).
Yeah, there's so many variables that it's difficult to pinpoint an exact cause of the Pan Weave. There was the 2003 recall on previous models that had incorrectly torqued engine-mounting bolts. The police versions also had additional equipment that exceeded Honda's recommended luggage weights. And the police versions had higher spring-rates on the front & back, but no one can determine if the dampers were adjusted to match. Some people also experienced the weave due to too-high tyre-pressure, and lowering pressure resolved their issue. I don't know if anyone's found a single consistent cause yet.

Will be interesting to see what the replacement for the ST will be.
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I don't know if anyone's found a single consistent cause yet.
Many owners take the bike up to high speed to see if their bike will exhibit this dangerous trait (and you wonder why I think motorcyclists are idiots). 95% of them can't get their bikes to do it and they do try. So I think it's mostly a police version phenomena. I won't be taking my ST over 110 mph again.
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Old 08-15-11, 08:22 AM   #1554
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Many owners take the bike up to high speed to see if their bike will exhibit this dangerous trait (and you wonder why I think motorcyclists are idiots). 95% of them can't get their bikes to do it and they do try. So I think it's mostly a police version phenomena. I won't be taking my ST over 110 mph again.
110?! I've never been more than 75 on a bike and that was plenty fast.
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Old 08-15-11, 01:33 PM   #1555
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any bobbers/kicker's? i've been looking into building one for the last few years, haven't quite got the money but that's really just my poor spending habbits.

[img]http://garagecompany.com/bike_pic200...ag_bobber2.jpg[/img]

something like dat
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any bobbers/kicker's? i've been looking into building one for the last few years, haven't quite got the money but that's really just my poor spending habbits.



something like dat
That doesn't look like it would handle bumps worth a damn on either end. What's the point of front suspension when the rake is nearly horizontal?
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Old 08-15-11, 02:27 PM   #1557
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That doesn't look like it would handle bumps worth a damn on either end. What's the point of front suspension when the rake is nearly horizontal?
I think that by changing the rocker on a springer front end, one can easily adjust for changes in fork rake.
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110?! I've never been more than 75 on a bike and that was plenty fast.
You have the wrong bike.
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Choppers are particularly stupid. But they are fun to look at.
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Old 08-15-11, 08:43 PM   #1560
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While 2/3rds of motorcycle wrecks are caused by cages, there's an overlap in this statistic. In California, we have shared-liability with percentages and there's a lot of these wrecks that are contributed by biker's low skill-level and poor judgment (riding too fast, placing themselves in dangerous scenarios, not paying attention, etc.).

Like these idiots riding without gear; drives up the price of insurance for the rest of us:


And look in the background of that photo, you'll see this even dumber idiot making full-speed passes in the wrong lane around blind corners:
Heh isle of 9, does bring out some idiots during summer.

Danno do you live in Bay Area by any chance? The mawhawk guy, is one turn away from a low side. From the local discussion he was offered some help on body position from someone who actually races. He declined it under delusion that he is actually fast.
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Old 08-16-11, 08:48 AM   #1561
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Choppers are particularly stupid. But they are fun to look at.
Agreed, but they make me appreciate bobbers more. I yearn for a nicely done bobber.
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Old 08-17-11, 01:20 AM   #1562
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Heh isle of 9, does bring out some idiots during summer.

Danno do you live in Bay Area by any chance? The mawhawk guy, is one turn away from a low side. From the local discussion he was offered some help on body position from someone who actually races. He declined it under delusion that he is actually fast.
I just moved from Santa Barbara back up to Saratoga. Kinda stayed too long after getting out of university at UCSB.

Yeah, the mohawk guy has the classic crossed-up body positining. From what I can gather, he has totaled two bikes in the past two years? Once on 9 and once at the track? Total idiot. Makes me scared to go out riding with my wife. Been trying to avoid the popular spots like 9, 84, Skyline, etc. on weekends.
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I usually go for a ride after I get back from a road bike ride. So around 1-2, the roads are actually not that bad. Most people are either coming back by that point or posing at STP. Of course you still have to deal with idiot drivers who can't navigate a turn to save their lives. Prius drivers are the worst.
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Old 08-19-11, 11:09 PM   #1564
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I like the Honda VTX... less expensive than a Harley and customizable. Saving my $$ for one.



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Old 09-28-11, 11:02 PM   #1565
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Third Track day, second on Daytona.
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I have always figured that the skills you would acquire on the track would be very helpful in keeping you safer on public roads. If the MSF courses did that much for me, learning more about the cornering limits of motorcycling would be great. One of the things I really remember from the MSF courses was how much they stressed the limited amount of traction you have available to you on a motorcycle, and how to maximize in cornering. Those were the bare basics, I'm sure you learn much more about that in a track session.
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I have always figured that the skills you would acquire on the track would be very helpful in keeping you safer on public roads. If the MSF courses did that much for me, learning more about the cornering limits of motorcycling would be great. One of the things I really remember from the MSF courses was how much they stressed the limited amount of traction you have available to you on a motorcycle, and how to maximize in cornering. Those were the bare basics, I'm sure you learn much more about that in a track session.
Same here, but pertaining to the safe stopping distance rule, which is not adhered to by the average car driver. I don't either, but I do leave more room than when I drive my car. Oftentimes this is a result of a car pulling into the gap I am trying to maintain for my safe stopping/evasive maneuvering.
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^^^^ It gives me the vapors to be out riding on the motorcycle and see other riders tailgating a car three feet behind the bumper to 'encourage' the car to go faster or move over. I often wonder just how far they will fly over the handlebars if the car suddenly brakes.
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People get out of track day what they want. If someone works with instructor on basics like body positioning, looking through corners, lines and build up confidence it's a great tool. On the other hand I seen people go out there and just do their own thing for entire day, or think they know everything push it and end up crashing a bike in second or third session (at sears point it's usually turn 2). One thing track day shows is just how slow you really are, and "the spirited" ride in the twisties is not all that spirited.
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Yeah, nothing makes you feel slow like getting out on the track. Heck, I have time to yawn and write a book at 160mph while I wait for the front-straight at Willow Springs to end. UD, is that you at Sears? Thunderhill?

On a related motorcycle topic, my wife & I want to get a sidecar that leans with the bike to take our dog on trips. I happen to see one on the "Engineering Connections" show with Richard Hammond. The season-3/episode-6 show on bullet-trains had such a sidecar. Anyone know who makes this sidecar? Thanks.

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Yeah, nothing makes you feel slow like getting out on the track. Heck, I have time to yawn and write a book at 160mph while I wait for the front-straight at Willow Springs to end. UD, is that you at Sears? Thunderhill?
That was at Sears. All my track days have been there so far. This weekend I'll be doing Thill for the first time.
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From that picture, it looks like it might be a Flexit with the windshield/cockpit removed.
Ah, thank you! I like the part where they were hitting 161mph on the track! Here's a video:

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I hope my girlfriend doesn't see this. lol. Otherwise there will be modifications made to one of my bikes.
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Third Track day, second on Daytona.
Good look thru..try to get your butt a little off and that inside shoulder down and inside a bit more..

Great form for your third day!
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