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Old 05-20-09, 12:08 PM   #1
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Pentaxians

Already on the wait list for when this hits the street. I will wait to see if they have solved their High ISO noise issues and focus issues, but both have been addressed in the design. Plus in camera true HDR with tone mapping,,nice.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K7/K7A.HTM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNCHdsZI88g

http://www.dpreview.com/

http://www.pentaximaging.com/

Maybe not a D700/5dmkII but should compete very well with the D300 D90 and whatever the prosumer Cannon is.
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It certainly looks like a nice camera, judging by the pictures at dpreview. Very old-school rugged look to it. Large hand-grip, and lots of interesting buttons. Less menuing needed is a good thing. Great resolution on the LCD, too.
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yeah, almost makes me regret selling my K20 - then I caress my D700 and all is forgotten.

Seriously, Pentax makes some great stuff. The high ISO noise issue wasn't bad - just not as good as Nikon or Canon. If they could address that they'd have the hands down winner - its close as it is. Of course, still no tilt/shift lenses which is ultimately why I switched.
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oh Pentax needs to come out with something full frame too.
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I was just a few minutes ago, checking prices on the K20d as I have been using my K100d. I think I will wait till July and get this one instead.
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I'm saving up for a Canon 50D...
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I like my closeout K110D, and I'm comfortable with the Pantax system, (moved over from film bodies). But the K110 has enough QC issues, (It was a sealed, new body) That I'll probably also be jumping to Cannon for my next camera.
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If you already have Canon stuff then that's a smart move. However if you have no legacy equipment I'd give the Pentax K20D (and now the K7) a LOOOOONNGG hard look.
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If you already have Canon stuff then that's a smart move. However if you have no legacy equipment I'd give the Pentax K20D (and now the K7) a LOOOOONNGG hard look.
True true,, the K20d is a better camera than the Canon 50D and it can be had for less than $700. The K7 is in completely different league.
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I was hoping they'd at least try for APS-H since it's rumored that their digital specific lenses can handle that. And even then, it'd be a hard choice to stick with Pentax. But it is nice that they're taking AF and metering more seriously. 5fps is nice. 100% FOV is nice and Pentax pentaprisms are bright and have always left me happy. Noise test results will be interesting. But I still can't think of anything that this camera has to offer that makes up for the lack of a FF sensor.

Are they or aren't they marketing this toward "serious" photographers?

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who says "serious" photographers need FF? I struggle with this "i need FF" arguement myself but the reality of the situation is that there are thousands of professional photographers using crop sensors as we speak. I shot medium format for 10 years after I switched from 35mm and before digital... I am drawn to the biggest capture format I can lug into the mountains on my back.. but I have seen nothing yet that says FF is providing any better results than crop in the areas that are important to me. Crop sensors are more than capable of producing prints of up to 17x22, the size of my printer, so what do I need FF for? The "serious phototgraphers" use FF argument holds no water.
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but I have seen nothing yet that says FF is providing any better results than crop in the areas that are important to me.
You don't need FF, that's fine. But I want the wider DOF range that FF affords, as well as reduced noise assuming the pixel density is reduced even if total pixel count increases. More important than any of that, though, is my preference for wide-angle. Tele shooters and even normal shooters may actually benefit from a cropped sensor, but that isn't my style. And the "serious" shooters I know prefer to not have equipment that sets limitations on the images they produce.

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Then it's a good thing I never said that. I'm more interested who Pentax thinks they're marketing to with a camera that is roughly equivalent to a 3rd tier Canon or Nikon body.
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Then it's a good thing I never said that. I'm more interested who Pentax thinks they're marketing to with a camera that is roughly equivalent to a 3rd tier Canon or Nikon body.
now you are just being a troll.. so good luck with that
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now you are just being a troll.. so good luck with that
Troll?

You glaze over my reasons why no-FF is a deal-breaker for me (and many pros/semipros/serious amateurs), and only respond to my second point with the BS quoted above. Who the hell are you calling troll?
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I was hoping they'd at least try for APS-H since it's rumored that their digital specific lenses can handle that. And even then, it'd be a hard choice to stick with Pentax. But it is nice that they're taking AF and metering more seriously. 5fps is nice. 100% FOV is nice and Pentax pentaprisms are bright and have always left me happy. Noise test results will be interesting. But I still can't think of anything that this camera has to offer that makes up for the lack of a FF sensor.

Are they or aren't they marketing this toward "serious" photographers?
They're marketing this towards the 50d and D300 crowd, and honestly they might have a winner. Noise performance at high ISOs will be important though.
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I use a k10d right now..the whole video thing with dslrs is killing me. I hate it. buy a freakin video camera. I was holding out to see what the k30d\k7 was gonna be. I agree with high ISO statements, and this camera seems to adress those issues ( a full review is still pending) but i wish pentax\hoya would just come out with a pro loevel dslr with no video, higher ISO range and higher burst rate...but thats just me...
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If you already have Canon stuff then that's a smart move. However if you have no legacy equipment I'd give the Pentax K20D (and now the K7) a LOOOOONNGG hard look.
I'm a Canon lover for many reasons, and already have Canon lenses.

My good friend shoots Pentax and always seems to get odd problems with his photos...
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I'm a Canon lover for many reasons, and already have Canon lenses.

My good friend shoots Pentax and always seems to get odd problems with his photos...
What kind of problems? I always had great results with mine unless I screwed something up.

My favorite saying is photography is in the photographer not the camera.

I went Nikon only because I needed to shoot at extreme ISO's a LOT (they have the best high ISO performance right now) and because I need at some point to get a tilt/shift lens.
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OK, time for a random RANT!

This notion that only the top model from Nikon or Cannon is suitable for professional use is just so much rubbish. A professional will use what they need to get the job done while not blowing all their profit on equipment. Back in film day's many, many professionals used Nikon FM 2's or FE 2's and NOT F4's or F5's. Its a little bit different these days because when you buy a digital camera you are effectively buying the "film" you are going to use for the life of the camera as well but its not that different. Professionals use what they need without blowing all their money on equipment.

The whole small sensor vs full frame thing annoys me as well. When digital camera's started I wanted full frame in order to best utilize my existing lenses. The manufacturers promised advantages from going to a smaller sensor and in theory they should be right but my gripe is that they NEVER got around to producing the top quality lenses for the new sensor size that they should have made in the first place. Instead they foisted sub quality variable aperture zooms on us. Now that the lenses that they should have made in the first place are just now coming out they are going back to 24x36mm sensor size

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They're marketing this towards the 50d and D300 crowd, and honestly they might have a winner. Noise performance at high ISOs will be important though.
I am really surprised to see that Pentax didn't even budge on pixel count. That should help them a lot on noise management. But competition is going to be tough.

I'll probably wait to see how the DA* 16-50mm f2.8 works on this body. Chromatic aberration on this thing is frustrating, to say the least.
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I am really surprised to see that Pentax didn't even budge on pixel count. That should help them a lot on noise management. But competition is going to be tough.

I'll probably wait to see how the DA* 16-50mm f2.8 works on this body. Chromatic aberration on this thing is frustrating, to say the least.
More pixels actually makes noise worse. That's why the D700 is so amazing at high ISO's. It's only 12 MP in a full frame camera. More real estate per pixel translates to less noise especially at high ISO's. Panasonic took the same approach to their amazing LX3 as well. Megapixels is all about hype and marketing. Even at large print sizes you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 12 megapixel camera and a 20 megapixel camera.

There's lots of brilliant 3rd party glass out there. The Sigma 10-20mm and the Sigma 24-70 2.8 both come to mind as well as the Tamron 28-75 2.8.
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More pixels actually makes noise worse. That's why the D700 is so amazing at high ISO's. It's only 12 MP in a full frame camera. More real estate per pixel translates to less noise especially at high ISO's. Panasonic took the same approach to their amazing LX3 as well. Megapixels is all about hype and marketing. Even at large print sizes you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 12 megapixel camera and a 20 megapixel camera.

There's lots of brilliant 3rd party glass out there. The Sigma 10-20mm and the Sigma 24-70 2.8 both come to mind as well as the Tamron 28-75 2.8.
Sensor technology counts for something too. The 5D MKII has 21mp and keeps up nicely with the D700. Downsizing the file to 12mp helps reduce visible noise in comparison as well. I feel comfortable shooting at 6400 ISO if I need to.

Anyways, FF isn't needed, but it usually is counted as pro type gear based on the IQ and probably the price. APS-C sensors are usually considered "budget". Not that there aren't pros using APS-C sensor cameras, but that's just the general perception of a lot of people.

I should say crop sensor though, there are Olympus people out there.

Despite worse noise than their full frame counter parts, there are people that are using crop sensor cameras to their advantage, like sports photographers and such.

Hell, even Canon's prime sport photographer's camera is 1.3x crop. After all, it is cheaper to buy a crop sensor camera and a 300mm lens with a 1.4x extender than a full frame camera and 600mm lens.

But I like the full frame for the IQ. I do mainly portraiture/glamour/people so the 70-200 is more than enough reach for me. Plus, I still have a 30D.

Anyways, the K7 looks like a capable camera, just as was mentioned in some blog I read, is it enough of a camera to pull people away from the big two?
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