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return it and recover whatever funds you can 3 21.43%
return it and be a ruthless dbag in asking him to cover return shipping 3 21.43%
keep it and fix it up - all these old cameras will need some work.... 4 28.57%
keep it and shoot with it as is, whatever 2 14.29%
keep it as a $54 paperweight 2 14.29%
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Old 07-06-09, 07:11 PM   #1
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Camera advice needed - STAT

I bought an old rangefinder on ebay. (emotional buy - uh oh) I took a chance on a 100% feedback seller who said he hadn't thrown film through it but he guaranteed the functions and said he'd take a return within three days of receipt.

so, I got it today - the light meter works, and the shutter is working although it already stuck a few times just looking the camera over out of the box.

cosmetically it looks okay but --- this is a fixed lens camera and the lens feels shaky and loose. Loose at the base where it meets the body, and also at each of the control rings (f-stops, focus wheel, etc.).

I had this same model when I started shooting in high school - it's not supposed to shake to my knowledge.

I'm a bit aggravated cause I paid a bit more than the going ebay rate due to his feedback and description ($40 + 14 s/h). Assuming he doesn't give me a hassle for the return I'll probably pay another $14 to ship back - so I am out $28 and no camera .....it may be cheaper to just keep the damn thing and put a cheap roll of film through to see how it looks...

Unless I get ballsy and ask him to cover return shipping...even then I'm out $14. I doubt he'd do that anyway unless I wanted to be a jerk and give him his first negative feedback...I'd rather not do something like that.

anyhoo - any advice from the camera people here would be welcome......
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Old 07-06-09, 09:49 PM   #2
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I'm not a "camera people" other than I know which end to point where, but IMHO I'd keep it and chalk it up to experience and a lesson about impulse buying. Like you said, you'd be out 28 bucks and have no camera.

Let's see here....

Pgoat buys camera for $40 + $14 shipping = $54
If he sends it back it costs another $14 = $68
He gets $40 back on return of goods, $68 - $40 = $28
Instead he takes Mrs Pgoat out for dinner, spending the $40 + additional $40
So now he is out even more $$$, has semi-working camera, but dinner gets him a bit of ooo-la-la when they get home.

Problem is fixed!

I'll send you the bill later.
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I'd say contact the seller and return it. If he has plenty of positive feedback he should come to the party. You brought it on the basis that it's a working camera and with loose focus and aperture rings it is unlikely that it will be. They should move smoothly but not be loose.

You could always put some film in, shoot a few frames and see what comes out first.
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Old 07-07-09, 04:17 AM   #4
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I always like the ooo la la factor (thanks Suzie) but I too reckoned, why not pass a roll through and hit the one hour photo lab today just to see what happens with it...

In the big picture we're only talking $54 - not the end of the world, but these days I'd rather not blow $54 on broken junk and besides, it's the principle of the thing....I trusted the seller due to 100% plus lots of camera and lens sales in the past.
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Old 07-07-09, 05:37 AM   #5
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Keep it, even if it just sits on a shelf.
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well, I took it outside and shot a few pics of the garden.

I also took some pics of the cats but forgot that with a rangefinder it is very possible (especially before the morning's first cuppa sinks in) to click away with the lens cap on

Hitting up the drug store photo lab en route to work; we'll soon see what she brings.....
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I'm somewhere between b & c, I guess I don't know enough about old cameras to know whether c applies. How do you tighten it up, add a new gasket and washer?
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I assume that for $40 this was not a Leica, so use it as is or as a paperweight. If it is a Leica or other "high quality optics" rangefinder, spend as much as you need to to fix it cause the optics will be worth it!
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I'm somewhere between b & c, I guess I don't know enough about old cameras to know whether c applies. How do you tighten it up, add a new gasket and washer?
to the best of my knowledge, you don't - it's a fixed lens, so an internal job, best left to a experienced repairman

here is what the best guy for this model of camera in the US said re: my situation:

The problem you described could be a minor issue or major one; as a general rule if the camera still works (shutter fires and aperture works) it is not a big problem and would be included in (my general clean up/adjustment) service of the camera ($65, plus s/h to & from).

There is some play in the S-2 lens assembly, even when they were new; this is due to the focus helical but it is the entire assembly, not just on part of the lens. This some times can be mistaken as a fault when in reality there is no problem. But i'd say if the lens is movable unrelated to the base there could be a problem in the shutter (screws loose) or the front ring screws have come loose. If the camera is nice cosmetically you might see if the seller will give 50% off the price and take your chances. If you like you may send it before you work out a deal so you know what you have. Just let me know what you want or if your sending the camera.


I should add the camera looks good inside and the outside is nice cosmetically except for two tiny initial stickers on the back (by the viewfinder window) and a number of some sort dremeled into the bottom of the case (hand done - not the S/N, which is factory engraved elsewhere).
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I assume that for $40 this was not a Leica, so use it as is or as a paperweight. If it is a Leica or other "high quality optics" rangefinder, spend as much as you need to to fix it cause the optics will be worth it!
nope - a Konica Auto S2

I purchased it mainly as sentimental surrogate - my dad bought his when I was little; it's nothing fancy but it seemed miles above the Instamatics we'd had prior to that...I used it in HS and when he passed it was one of the few things I had of his. I used the camera for a few years and when it broke i did a stupid thing and sold it for a pittance (I should have kept THAT one for a paperweight!!).

Having said all that I was really more interested in a working camera, revisiting the model I learned to shoot on, etc. Not so much interested in the sentimentality; that merely drove my choice of this model....I realize there are plenty of other cameras of this type to choose from, and plenty that may be much nicer.

On the other hand these lenses seem to have a good reputation....so maybe it is worth getting fixed, assuming the seller will do something for me?
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You could always mosey over to B&H, and see what they think.....
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I voted for 'keep it and fix it up'. This could be tough though - depending on what needs to be repaired.

I would run a roll of film through it first though. Maybe it's alright and you just need to baby it a little? Never know til you try.

Lastly though, if you did want to return it - having the seller pay shipping one way is completely within reason. I've been ebaying for close to 15 years and have encountered a few returns. Each time we split shipping costs.
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that would be a lot less odious to me, if he paid the return s/h. If I was only out the $14 shipping to me I could live with that.

I dropped a roll I shot this AM off before work, will go get at lunch.....
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I agree with the previous poster about B&H, but I always liked Adorama a little better! You live in NYC, there are a lot of options!
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true...And I work equidistant, smack in between both shops
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well, sad to say only two pics came out on the whole 24 exp. roll - and they're messed up (light blotches, double exposure, etc etc.)

I guess it should go back.
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All I can say is that if I lived between B&H and Adorama, I would be a very, very poor man.
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All I can say is that if I lived between B&H and Adorama, I would be a very, very poor man.
Word. Why do you think I stopped shooting in 1984?

This is also why I have to ride very quickly past 48th street (music stores).

And 47th street (Diamond district....but also the home of the incredibly great wristwatch discounts)

And so on....not that the rents around here leave you much spending $ anyway.

Which is why God created credit cards, I suppose.
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So would I.
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All I can say is that if I lived between B&H and Adorama, I would be a very, very poor man.

actually you can't live between the two unless you're a very very rich man.

in which case you could become poor.


by living there, I mean.




or after living there.
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All I can say is that if I lived anywhere near B&H or Adorama, I would be a very, very poor man.
Fixed, mmmkay?
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Oh my, that place looks dangerous.
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Oh my, that place looks dangerous.
yeah, I am afraid to click
I was also contemplating going to the local shops to peruse the used stuff but I can just feel the eddy and undertow sucking me in.......AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

The missus consoled me thusly, saying just use my old Vivitar SLR. It's fine, for sure...I am just a little bummed by the ebay-burned thing. Oh, well....it was kinda neat to see one of the old Konicas up close again, anyway.
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Now, since you did that, let's see how long it takes for this thread to become a "what brand is better" pissing contest.
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